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OCCULTMsg # 1 of 131                   Date: Wed  8/11/1995,  7:47 pm  [E]

From: PRINCE OF DARKNESS         Read: 49 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let the secret out Big Grin

this is really silly..it is annoying having to reply to messages,
and then aborting it.. just tto read more than a couple of letters..

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OCCULTMsg # 2 of 131                   Date: Wed  8/11/1995,  5:52 pm  [I]
From: WILLIAM STEWART            Read: 45 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: AIMEE                   Origin: 13:666/300
Subject: Re: Seance

Replying to a message AIMEE wrote to BO:

A> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes
A> don't get exported to the other boards :>

(Hope this works...) Searchlight is funny that way...  Smile

A> I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
A> Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let
A> the secret out Big Grin

Hehehehehe, OK, Aimee...

Catchya, Will.

... Klingon Thanksgiving Grace: "Let us prey..."
--- timEd-B9
 * Origin: The Final Frontier - Wellington, NZ, +64-4-476-5179 (13:666/300)
SEEN-BY: 666/1 2 3 4 8 9 12 14 15 300
 

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OCCULTMsg # 3 of 131                   Date: Wed  8/11/1995,  8:43 pm  [E]
From: BO PEEP                    Read: 44 times

     To: WILLIAM STEWART
Subject: Re: Seance

>Replying to a message AIMEE wrote to BO:
>
>A> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes
>A> don't get exported to the other boards :>
>
>(Hope this works...) Searchlight is funny that way...  Smile
>
>A> I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>A> Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let
>A> the secret out Big Grin
>
>Hehehehehe, OK, Aimee...
>
>  Wow a new nameWho is this personSmile

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OCCULTMsg # 4 of 131                   Date: Wed  8/11/1995, 10:33 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 41 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>And you all thought that this was some sort of hidden message!Sheesh ar
>>>>you all nuts or something!.
>>>>When it comes to this sort of thing only the gullible would bother
>>>trying >to figure it all out. >                     <MULDER>
>
>only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes don't get
>exported to the other boards :>
>>>
>>>NOW who's gullible? :>
>
>I cant wait until BFG gets this oneWink)
>
>I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let the secret out Big Grin
>

But I just looked in my scrool back... You talk talk a lot of junk.. :>

BTW Everyone.. They have been blabbering in black..

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OCCULTMsg # 5 of 131                   Date: Wed  8/11/1995, 11:34 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 41 times

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Seance

>>And you all thought that this was some sort of hidden message!Sheesh ar
>>>>>you all nuts or something!.
>>>>>When it comes to this sort of thing only the gullible would bother
>>>>trying >to figure it all out. >                     <MULDER>
>>
>>only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes don't get
>>exported to the other boards :>
>>>>
>>>>NOW who's gullible? :>
>>
>>I cant wait until BFG gets this oneWink)
>>
>>I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>>Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let the secret out Big Grin
>>
>
>But I just looked in my scrool back... You talk talk a lot of junk.. :>
>
>BTW Everyone.. They have been blabbering in black..

You stupid boy, you forgot to turn the black OFF. duh. hehehehehehehe

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OCCULTMsg # 6 of 131                   Date: Thu  9/11/1995,  7:37 am  [I]
From: NEMO                       Read: 40 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Origin: 13:666/4
Subject: Re: Seance

AI> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes don't
AI> get exported to the other boards :>

Says who?

---
 * Origin: The International Communist Conspiracy (13:666/4)
SEEN-BY: 666/1 2 3 4 8 9 12 14 15 300
 

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OCCULTMsg # 7 of 131                   Date: Thu  9/11/1995, 12:09 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 39 times

     To: NEMO
Subject: Re: Seance

>AI> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes don't
>AI> get exported to the other boards :>
>
>Says who?
>
>---
> * Origin: The International Communist Conspiracy (13:666/4)
>SEEN-BY: 666/1 2 3 4 8 9 12 14 15 300

Oh... uh... well.. maybe the codes.. but was all this in black for you guys
too?

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OCCULTMsg # 8 of 131                   Date: Thu  9/11/1995,  2:08 pm  [E]
From: YAWN                       Read: 39 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Paganism

>>
>>You don't get out much huh? Smile
>
>He's not allowed to leave the circle ;>

oh Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 9 of 131                   Date: Thu  9/11/1995,  3:54 pm  [I]
From: DWELLER                    Read: 38 times

     To: BO PEEP                 Origin: 13:666/300
Subject: Re: Seance

Replying to a message BO wrote to WILLIAM:

>  Wow a new nameWho is this personSmile

Just Me without my alias...  I don't need one much cos I'm
a sysop...  Smile

Catchya, Will.

... 2 Betazoids walk into a bar.One says "I'll have the same"
--- timEd-B9
 * Origin: The Final Frontier - Wellington, NZ, +64-4-476-5179 (13:666/300)
SEEN-BY: 666/1 2 3 4 8 9 12 14 15 300
 

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OCCULTMsg # 10 of 131                  Date: Thu  9/11/1995,  8:46 pm  [E]
From: SKIDMARK                   Read: 37 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>>>>Replying to a message AIMEE wrote to BO:
>>>>
>>>>A> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes
>>>>A> don't get exported to the other boards :>
>>>>
>>>>(Hope this works...) Searchlight is funny that way...  Smile
>>>>
>>>>A> I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>>>>A> Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let
>>>>A> the secret out Big Grin
>>>>
>>>>Hehehehehe, OK, Aimee...
>>>>
>>>>  Wow a new nameWho is this personSmile
>>
>>Hey Im riggt here with you guys ! <GG>
>
>Gudday GG :>  Nice to see you here in the NetherWorld :>

That's because some of use aare a little slower than
theothersSmile

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OCCULTMsg # 11 of 131                  Date: Fri 10/11/1995,  1:53 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 38 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: SKIDMARK
Subject: Re: Seance

>>>>>Replying to a message AIMEE wrote to BO:
>>>>>
>>>>>A> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes
>>>>>A> don't get exported to the other boards :>
>>>>>
>>>>>(Hope this works...) Searchlight is funny that way...  Smile
>>>>>
>>>>>A> I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>>>>>A> Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let
>>>>>A> the secret out Big Grin
>>>>>
>>>>>Hehehehehe, OK, Aimee...
>>>>>
>>>>>  Wow a new nameWho is this personSmile
>>>
>>>Hey Im riggt here with you guys ! <GG>
>>
>>Gudday GG :>  Nice to see you here in the NetherWorld :>
>
>That's because some of use aare a little slower than
>theothersSmile

That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in the
land! ;>


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OCCULTMsg # 12 of 131                  Date: Fri 10/11/1995,  4:55 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 38 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>>That's because some of use aare a little slower than
>>theothersSmile
>
>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in the
>land! ;>

Not you Aimee..

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OCCULTMsg # 13 of 131                  Date: Sat 11/11/1995,  7:27 am  [E]
From: SKIDMARK                   Read: 39 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>>>>>>Replying to a message AIMEE wrote to BO:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes
>>>>>>A> don't get exported to the other boards :>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(Hope this works...) Searchlight is funny that way...  Smile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A> I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>>>>>>A> Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let
>>>>>>A> the secret out Big Grin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hehehehehe, OK, Aimee...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Wow a new nameWho is this personSmile
>>>>
>>>>Hey Im riggt here with you guys ! <GG>
>>>
>>>Gudday GG :>  Nice to see you here in the NetherWorld :>
>>
>>That's because some of use aare a little slower than
>>theothersSmile
>
>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in the
>land! ;>
>

Most of the Sysops I've met, with the exception ofPOD seem to
be very able types. i wonder what would happen if provocative words
likeSEX  were visible would it encourage otherusers
to investigate this thread?Rubber toys       PAIN Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 14 of 131                  Date: Sat 11/11/1995,  7:34 am  [E]
From: SKIDMARK                   Read: 39 times  [1 Reply]

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Seance

>>>That's because some of use aare a little slower than
>>>theothersSmile
>>
>>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in th
>>land! ;>
>
>Not you Aimee..
You sure know how to apply the Vasaline BJ Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 15 of 131                  Date: Sat 11/11/1995, 11:58 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 37 times  [1 Reply]

     To: SKIDMARK
Subject: Re: Seance

>>>>>>>Replying to a message AIMEE wrote to BO:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes
>>>>>>>A> don't get exported to the other boards :>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(Hope this works...) Searchlight is funny that way...  Smile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A> I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>>>>>>>A> Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let
>>>>>>>A> the secret out Big Grin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hehehehehe, OK, Aimee...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Wow a new nameWho is this personSmile
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Im riggt here with you guys ! <GG>
>>>>
>>>>Gudday GG :>  Nice to see you here in the NetherWorld :>
>>>
>>>That's because some of use aare a little slower than
>>>theothersSmile
>>
>>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in th
>>land! ;>
>>
>
>Most of the Sysops I've met, with the exception ofPOD seem to
>be very able types. i wonder what would happen if provocative words
>likeSEX  were visible would it encourage otherusers
>to investigate this thread?Rubber toys       PAIN Smile

Worked for me!

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OCCULTMsg # 16 of 131                  Date: Sat 11/11/1995,  3:38 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 36 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: SKIDMARK
Subject: Re: Seance

>>
>>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in th
>>land! ;>
>>
>
>Most of the Sysops I've met, with the exception ofPOD seem to
>be very able types. i wonder what would happen if provocative words
>likeSEX  were visible would it encourage otherusers
>to investigate this thread?Rubber toys       PAIN Smile

 Made me look :>. I have been getting strange vibrateions lately
from my sprits.. Any reason? :>

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OCCULTMsg # 17 of 131                  Date: Sat 11/11/1995,  3:41 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 37 times

     To: SKIDMARK
Subject: Re: Seance


>>>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in t
>>>land! ;>
>>
>>Not you Aimee..
>You sure know how to apply the Vasaline BJ Smile

What does vasaline have to do with it? Does it have something to do
with sex? :>

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OCCULTMsg # 18 of 131                  Date: Sat 11/11/1995,  3:42 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 37 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>Worked for me!

Worked for me to.. Sex and rubber toys drew me in.. :>

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OCCULTMsg # 19 of 131                  Date: Sat 11/11/1995,  8:12 pm  [E]
From: BFG                        Read: 37 times

     To: WILLIAM STEWART
Subject: Re: Seance

>Replying to a message AIMEE wrote to BO:
>
>A> only problem is that this is an echo, and colour codes
>A> don't get exported to the other boards :>
>
>(Hope this works...) Searchlight is funny that way...  Smile
>
>A> I'm just wondering why others haven't cottened on yet!
>A> Oh, and if you're reading this NOT on BS, don't let
>A> the secret out Big Grin
>
>Hehehehehe, OK, Aimee...
>
>Catchya, Will.
>
>... Klingon Thanksgiving Grace: "Let us prey..."
>--- timEd-B9
> * Origin: The Final Frontier - Wellington, NZ, +64-4-476-5179 (13:666/300)
>SEEN-BY: 666/1 2 3 4 8 9 12 14 15 300

Hello Mr William Stewart. My name is BFG. I dont think you did the writing
properly. I could not read it
Reply
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OCCULTMsg # 20 of 131                  Date: Sun 12/11/1995,  7:01 am  [E]

From: SKIDMARK                   Read: 37 times  [1 Reply]

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Seance

>>>
>>>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in t
>>>land! ;>
>>>
>>
>>Most of the Sysops I've met, with the exception ofPOD seem t
>>be very able types. i wonder what would happen if provocative words
>>likeSEX  were visible would it encourage otherusers
>>to investigate this thread?Rubber toys       PAIN :
>
> Made me look :>. I have been getting strange vibrateions lately
>from my sprits.. Any reason? :>

Yes I can see something in the crystal ball It's becoming
clear now. I see a stranger in green or
greycomming for you. This stranger means you no
good. Beware BJ!!!!!

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OCCULTMsg # 21 of 131                  Date: Sun 12/11/1995, 10:52 am  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 40 times

     To: SKIDMARK
Subject: Re: Seance

>> Made me look :>. I have been getting strange vibrateions lately
>>from my sprits.. Any reason? :>
>
>Yes I can see something in the crystal ball It's becoming
>clear now. I see a stranger in green or
>greycomming for you. This stranger means you no
>good. Beware BJ!!!!!

Help me a evil is afert me... !! HELP!

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OCCULTMsg # 22 of 131                  Date: Sun 12/11/1995,  1:40 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 46 times  [1 Reply]

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Seance

>>>
>>>That's hard to believe!  Why, some of us sysops are the slowest in t
>>>land! ;>
>>>
>>
>>Most of the Sysops I've met, with the exception ofPOD seem t
>>be very able types. i wonder what would happen if provocative words
>>likeSEX  were visible would it encourage otherusers
>>to investigate this thread?Rubber toys       PAIN :
>
> Made me look :>. I have been getting strange vibrateions lately
>from my sprits.. Any reason? :>

Don't keep the bottles on top of the fridge.

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OCCULTMsg # 23 of 131                  Date: Mon 13/11/1995, 11:27 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 46 times  [1 Reply]

     To: DWELLER
Subject: Re: Seance

>It's really neat, but there's one bug I haven't sorted out yet:  how to get
>it to convert back  Sad
>
>How was that, eh, Aimee?

 Well done! *grin*

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OCCULTMsg # 24 of 131                  Date: Mon 13/11/1995,  7:24 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 43 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>> Made me look :>. I have been getting strange vibrateions lately
>>from my sprits.. Any reason? :>
>
>Don't keep the bottles on top of the fridge.

Bah!

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OCCULTMsg # 25 of 131                  Date: Mon 13/11/1995,  7:25 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 42 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seance

>>It's really neat, but there's one bug I haven't sorted out yet:  how to get
>>it to convert back  Sad
>>
>>How was that, eh, Aimee?
>
> Well done! *grin*

Horrible.. Tricked me..

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OCCULTMsg # 26 of 131                  Date: Sun 10/12/1995,  2:34 pm  [E]
From: ASSIST                     Read: 37 times

     To: AL
Subject: THE MYTH OF RELIGION

It astounds me, the number of people who base their entire lives (and their
siblings) on the so called GOD... When so many facts point to the fact that
religion is just a myth. Read the book Chariots of the GODS, its filled with
fact's that point to the conclusion that earth was visited by a higher life
form, thousands of years ago (cave men times). Just imagine what effect
aspace ship would have had on primitive man. Of course they would have
worshipped these creatures as "GOD" like. Their are paintings in caves in
INDIA dating back thousands of years ago, that portray what appears to be
flames coming out of a rocket, leaving the earth, with creatures with large
heads with eyes on stalks (sounds like space helments with antenna...wild
guess I know...but their is just so much EVIDENCE!!!.   Their is a pole in
the ground (again in INDIA) made of a type of metal that exists nowhere else
in the world. History reveals this pole has been their for at least 900
years, during this time it has never rusted....Science can not explain this
mysterious metal!!!..Religion, I suppose, gives people a sense of purpose,
maybe in this way religion is good. However if you look at every war that
has every happened on this planet, in most cases religion  (or the
persicusion of religious groups) played a major part in the instigation.
How did the egyptions build the pyramids, the aztecs & the inca have such
vast knowledge (calculations made by these civilizations have been shown to
be only micromillimetres out!!) of the solar systems, easter island, and the
white chalk drawings of england.  The pyramids where said to be tombs of
dead kings, it would have taken 450 years to build the biggest of the
pyramids (going by current ideas on eqyptian engineering). The pharoah would
have been nearly dust by the time it was finished, all that time & money &
resources for someone that none of the builders even remotely new....New
evidence of late shows the pyramids to be organised in such a way on earth
to correspond to the constellation's, could the pyramid's be a road sign
(the pyrmaids are visible from space) or markers to help out lost space
travelers...The bible states many facts about visitors from space (but not
in those exact words). I personally beleive in the visit to earth of a more
intelligent power, from this visit, stemed the belief in "GOD". We all know
the story of the fish that got away (it was THIS big), that I believe is how
religion started. Thousands of years ago, primitive man was visited,
primitive man saw the visitor as more powerfull than himself, so he
worshipped the visitor, primitive man drew pictures on walls, later cultures
found writings & drawings, and inturn passed these on to other cultures
(Every culture in the world, has their OWN ONE TRUE GOD) until we have
modern day religion......If you believe differently, please leave a message,
and we can chat. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning religion, all
I'm saying is I don't believe in the myth of "GOD is everything...blah blah,
Heaven & Hell e.t.c e.t.c.). I could go on for hours, so i'd better stop
now, hear from you soon.......BELIEVER or SCEPTIC

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OCCULTMsg # 27 of 131                  Date: Fri 15/12/1995, 11:19 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 42 times

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: THE MYTH OF RELIGION

>He (And others) say that the end of the world is either 2000 or 2001. (Or
>appear to)

I've heard from about 3 clairvoyants, and read in many books that about that
time there's going to be a HUGE earthquake, where Japan sinks into the sea
and the earthquake and resulting tidal wave (or something) manages to
decimate the population of the earth.

There have been many things happening to speed this into happening, like the
burning of the oilfields a while ago, and general disregard for the land.

A couple of books have treated the Earth as an entity in itself, saying that
it's going to get us back for what we've done, unless we do something about
the abuse we've done to it.

Fact or fiction?  Who the hell knows.  We'll find out within a decade or so.

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OCCULTMsg # 28 of 131                  Date: Thu 21/12/1995,  6:59 am  [I]
From: NEMO                       Read: 26 times

     To: BJ THE HUN              Origin: 13:666/15
Subject: Re: THE MYTH OF RELIGION

 Re: Bj The Hun's waffling about Re: THE MYTH OF RELIGION

 BTH> Woow...... Very good point. Mars has some interesting features... Like
 BTH> a  face on the surface! And someone said a pyramid to me.. But I'm not
 BTH> sure if  I am to belive that or not.

 Mars has some interesting features ....

 One of which happens to look vaguely like a face wearing a silly
 helmet or with a really tragic hair style when viewed from a
 particular arc and under a particular lighting condition.  That
 is all that can be assumed from the photos that the "Mars Face"
 bullshit comes from.

 Don't tell anyone, but I have a book containing three photos of
 rock formations RIGHT HERE ON EARTH that look just like three
 American presidents.   I can even name them:

        John F. Kennedy
        Abraham Lincoln
        Richard Nixon


... As soon as an idea is accepted it is time to reject it
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Renegade v10-05 Exp
 * Origin: Dizzy's Dilemma BB (13:666/15)
SEEN-BY: 666/0 1 2 3 4 8 9 12 14 15 16 150 300
 

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OCCULTMsg # 29 of 131                  Date: Sun 21/01/1996,  3:54 pm  [I]
From: NEMO                       Read: 42 times

     To: ALL                     Origin: 13:666/15
Subject: plumbing the depths

Last night I found myself in the odd (for me) position of taking
part in a conversation about all kinds of things spiritual.  From
ghosts and skulls to black rocks with evil vibes that caused
nasty things to happen - complete with examples of nasty things.
Mostly my part in the conversation consisted of keeping my mouth
tactfully shut, another odd thing for me, though at one stage it
was pointed out that I had lived in a place that was supposedly
haunted.  "I was taking a lot of drugs back then", was my dry
(and tactful) reply to this particular piece of fantasy.

It was another conversation along these lines that first prompted
me to post in this group well over a year ago.  That one mainly
consisted of me being informed that crystals can give people
telepathic messages.  It stuns me that people can believe in this
kind of idiocy, particularly when the crystals in question are
man made pieces of glass.  On that occasion I was less tactful
that I was last night and verbally let rip.  The end result was
that the woman I was talking to ended in tears and her daughter
wouldn't speak to me for two weeks.

Last night they, sorry, *we* had a bit of a chat about crystals
too.  It was pointed out that if you place some kinds of rocks
under various lights they can actually glow and they each glow
with a different colour.  This was taken by the others as an
indication of the various rocks magical properties.

I believe in something folk.  I have to admit it.

I believe in treating these poor, mostly self-deluding fools to
large amounts of derision.  The problem is that one can't treat
all those deserving of a good slap in the face with wet fish in
this way as it is very easy to lose friendships.  It was mostly
this thought that made me keep my mouth shut last night.

I sat in that candle lit and incense filled room with such an
inner stillness that I could quite possibly have been mistaken
for a very spiritual person indeed.

... "How many angels can swim in the head of a beer?"  - Roger Ramjet
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OCCULTMsg # 30 of 131                  Date: Sat 16/03/1996, 11:14 pm  [I]
From: BAZBAZ                     Read: 30 times

     To: ALL                     Origin: 13:666/15
Subject: Noah's Ark

***ban the capital letter***


before anyone continues deriding the recent documentary on Noah's Ark
(i'm presuming it's the one on David Fasold's research and exploration) i
must
say that after reading Fasold's book, you should not write off the flood,
nor
the possibility that some people survived it.   Fasold is an experienced
marin
architect/hydrologist and explorer.  his treatise on the possible
(probable?)
construction  of the ark deserves detailed examination.  it is the most
realistic and least emotive explanation i've read/heard.

confusing it with an apologetic argument is unfair.  even if 'noah' did
exist,
and did sail in a ship (with an inspired design) it doesn't suddenly
require us to observe One Truth.

doubters should read Immanuel Veliokovsky's 'Worlds in Collision',  and
Alvarez' 'Physics and Creation'. (if, in these ignorant times, you can get a
copy)

research on ancient units of measure will also yield valuable information.
while the original cubit has some terrestrial application, it is more
directly
a lunar measure, and this is shown in Fasold's work, without being stated.


... nfx v2.4 [C0000] Cursed be be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be
u
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OCCULTMsg # 31 of 131                  Date: Sun 17/03/1996,  6:27 am  [I]
From: YORICK                     Read: 30 times

     To: BAZBAZ                  Origin: 13:666/15
Subject: Re: Noah's Ark

B> before anyone continues deriding the recent documentary on Noah's Ark
B> (i'm presuming it's the one on David Fasold's research and exploration)
i mu
B> say that after reading Fasold's book, you should not write off the
flood, no
B> the possibility that some people survived it.   Fasold is an experienced
mar

Good to see you back Bazbaz :>

Sur there may have been an Ark and the evidence points to there being a
flood
but you got to admit that the rest of the story just don't hold water.
Imagine a floating zoo that size looked after by a handful of people.
One death and  a specis is knocked out. What about the food and the shit ?

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OCCULTMsg # 32 of 131                  Date: Wed 20/03/1996,  4:26 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 30 times  [1 Reply]

     To: REG FISH
Subject: Re: Worlds in Collision

>I've read Worlds in Collision but it was 20 years ago, I think.
>Velikovsky's thesis is that Venus started out in the outer solar system and
>was knocked out of orbit. It passed close to our planet, and caused various
>disaster legends, then took up its present position.
>I don't think that the theory is in the slightest bit credible, but the
>book is well worth a read anyway. There were some other works as well, I
>think, on the same theme.

What is more credible is (Listen to me here) that the babylonians (Or
someones) recognised *10* planets.. Now where has this planet gone? Many
people think that this planet was just a simple error of simple people..

But MY personal theory is that (Yes.. I've read a brief outline of that
theory you discribe above, and it was about the same length) this extra
planet just carrened into the sun, and possible collided with pluto, giveing
it this weird screwed up orbit, please not that Pluto, and it's moon
Charion are ROCK.. And the other planets in the outer orbits are gas..

Excuse me if you think this is strange, I don't care, It's my idea, and I
like it. It certainitly explains a lot.

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OCCULTMsg # 33 of 131                  Date: Fri 22/03/1996, 12:27 am  [I]
From: REG FISH                   Read: 32 times

     To: BJ THE HUN              Origin: 13:666/4
Subject: Re: Worlds in Collision

BJ THE HUN wrote in a message to REG FISH:

BTH> What is more credible is (Listen to me here) that the
BTH> babylonians (Or someones) recognised *10* planets.. Now
BTH> where has this planet gone? Many people think that this
BTH> planet was just a simple error of simple people..

I for one believe that this is a simple error, but not an error of the
Babylonians. :-) The Babylonians would not have known of Uranus, Neptune
and Pluto - they were only discovered after telescopes were introduced.
Also, I doubt that the Babylonians regarded Earth as a planet.

If your contention is correct then we are actually missing not one but four
or five Babylonian planets. They must have caromed off each other like pool
balls at break time.

BTH> But MY personal theory is that (Yes.. I've read a brief
BTH> outline of that theory you discribe above, and it was about
BTH> the same length) this extra planet just carrened into the
BTH> sun, and possible collided with pluto, giveing it this weird
BTH> screwed up orbit, please not that Pluto, and it's moon
BTH> Charion are ROCK.. And the other planets in the outer orbits
BTH> are gas..

BTH> Excuse me if you think this is strange, I don't care, It's
BTH> my idea, and I like it. It certainitly explains a lot.

I don't believe that you could have come up with this theory yourself.
Alien visitors must have hypnotically convinced you of it last time you
were in the saucer.

Reg


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OCCULTMsg # 34 of 131                  Date: Fri 22/03/1996,  9:30 am  [E]

From: BOGEY                      Read: 30 times

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Worlds in Collision

>What is more credible is (Listen to me here) that the babylonians (Or
>someones) recognised *10* planets.. Now where has this planet gone? Many
>people think that this planet was just a simple error of simple people..

Another theory is that the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter is the
remains of a planet.

<=_BoGeY_=>

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OCCULTMsg # 35 of 131                  Date: Tue 20/08/1996,  9:11 pm  [E]
From: GIZMO                      Read: 38 times  [1 Reply]

     To: TREKKER
Subject: Re: Hmmm

>>M> Ok I'll try not to draw any conclusion here but a funny thing
>>happened
>>M> to me last night...
>>M>
>>M> I drove into Wellington to spend the evening having a few drinks to
>>
>>Often while driving my car (particularly at night) I become aware that I
>>have a back seat passenger sitting behind me. On a number of occasions I
>>have
>>actualy seen someone in my rear view mirror, but when I turn around no-one
>>is
>>there. It gives me one heck of a fright, but thats about all.
>>Now that really is weird!   <GG>
>
>It's called a consience.

They are both being really pathetic..

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OCCULTMsg # 36 of 131                  Date: Wed 21/08/1996,  9:23 am  [E]
From: TREKKER                    Read: 39 times

     To: GIZMO
Subject: Re: Hmmm

>>>M> Ok I'll try not to draw any conclusion here but a funny thing
>>>happened
>>>M> to me last night...
>>>M>
>>>M> I drove into Wellington to spend the evening having a few drinks to
>>>
>>>Often while driving my car (particularly at night) I become aware that 
>>>have a back seat passenger sitting behind me. On a number of occasions I
>>>have
>>>actualy seen someone in my rear view mirror, but when I turn around no-one
>>>is
>>>there. It gives me one heck of a fright, but thats about all.
>>>Now that really is weird!   <GG>
>>
>>It's called a consience.
>
>They are both being really pathetic..

Multiple personalities, both trying to outdo each other.

Trekker

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OCCULTMsg # 37 of 131                  Date: Mon 26/08/1996, 10:08 pm  [E]
From: LUPUS                      Read: 36 times

     To: MULDER
Subject: Re: Hmmm

Mulder wrote:

>Ok I'll try not to draw any conclusion here but a funny thing happened
>to me last night...
>
>I drove into Wellington to spend the evening having a few drinks to
>celebrate a mate of mines 31st birthday. I was almost out of petrol and
>decided to fill up at the gas shop across the road from his flat before I
>went up and visited him.
>
>Just as I was about to enter the forecourt in my car I had this absolute
>belief that If I drove across town to a certain service station I would
>see an old friend there. I did this just out of curiosity and was
>pleasantly surprised to see them just as I had known I would.
>
>What are the odds of this??  the person I saw does'nt even own a car and
>the window of opportunity so to speak would have only been two minutes at
>the most.And yet I was so sure of it that I drove several kms out of my way
>to do so.

Agreed quite a coincidence, but is this not unlike those occasions when the
phone rings and you are able to accuratly predict who the caller is, before
picking up the reciever?

The fact is we remember the "hits" but rarely recall those times we guessed
and where wrong. Would you have bothered to recall the incident if you had
arrived at the Service Station and not found them there? I'm sure that if
you were to review your life you would uncover a number of amazing "windows
of opportunity", part of the rich tapastry that is life I guess. Smile

Lupus


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OCCULTMsg # 38 of 131                  Date: Wed  9/10/1996, 11:02 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 33 times  [1 Reply]

     To: DARK
Subject: Re: Seeing as this is the OCCULT subby

>  Has anybody out there seen the movie the OMEN? That was really cool. All
>about the devils child which was born out of a dog and had the mark of the
>devil and all that.. hehehe Its really funny.
>There is quite a few of them I think but Ive only seen the first one, but
>that was cool.

The other ones were terrible!

There were a few really weird things that happened during the shooting of
the Omen... Props disappearing (like the knives), there was a fire in the
script room, and then a few days later the pipes burst and the place flooded
out, people getting sick, burned etc...

And lots more, but I don't have the article on it, so I can't post it. 8(

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OCCULTMsg # 39 of 131                  Date: Wed  9/10/1996,  5:32 pm  [E]
From: DARK                       Read: 31 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Seeing as this is the OCCULT subby

>There were a few really weird things that happened during the shooting of
>the Omen... Props disappearing (like the knives), there was a fire in the
>script room, and then a few days later the pipes burst and the place flooded
>out, people getting sick, burned etc...

HAHAHAHA!!! that is REALLY cool. Fuck, I bet half the crew quit when all
that started to happen.. Isn't there a bit when the devils son goes to the
HOLY LAND and he looks just like the painting of the devils son or
something? i MUST GET THOSE VIDEOS OUT SOMETIME....

Hey, did you know that Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off a live rat on stage at
one of his concerts? That guy is REALLY twisted. Ive got 2 of his CD's.
There is this song called DEVILS DAUGHTER on the NO RST FOR THE WICKED album
and the lyrics go something like:

    Well I know where you live,
    And I know you live alone.
    Ill come for in your darkest hour.
    Ive got a treat in store, wont be the same no more.
    And Ill demonstrate my HOLY power.

Thats a good one.. and also;

They'll summon you, to wake from the dead as you lie bleeding, murderd in
your bed. The sweetest are all in your mind but no-one wakes when Charlie
creeps from behind, yeah.

Execution halts your breath, helter skelter spiral death, bloodbath in
Paradise, but there is nowhere for you to break out baby, bloodbath in
paradise - forever sleep in paradise.

Heheh that one is called BLOODBATH in PARADISE.

There is heaps more but I cant be botherd to write it all out.

DARK

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OCCULTMsg # 40 of 131                  Date: Thu 10/10/1996, 10:02 pm  [I]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 34 times  [1 Reply]

     To: DARK                    Origin: 13:666/15
Subject: Re: Seeing as this is the

 Da> Hey, did you know that Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off a live rat on
 Da> stage at  one of his concerts? That guy is REALLY twisted. Ive got 2 of
 Da> his CD's.  There is this song called DEVILS DAUGHTER on the NO RST FOR
 Da> THE WICKED album  and the lyrics go something like:

 It was a Chicken. Someone threw a stunned chicken on stage, he thought it
 was dead. :> Someone also threw a dead bat on stage, he thought it was
 something else, god knows what. :>
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OCCULTMsg # 41 of 131                  Date: Fri 11/10/1996,  4:20 pm  [E]
From: DARK                       Read: 33 times

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Seeing as this is the

> Da> Hey, did you know that Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off a live rat on
> Da> stage at  one of his concerts? That guy is REALLY twisted. Ive got 2 of
> Da> his CD's.  There is this song called DEVILS DAUGHTER on the NO RST FOR
> Da> THE WICKED album  and the lyrics go something like:
>
> It was a Chicken. Someone threw a stunned chicken on stage, he thought it
> was dead. :> Someone also threw a dead bat on stage, he thought it was
> something else, god knows what. :>

I found out what it was.... It was definatley a bat, and a live one too I
think but Im not sure.. But its was definatley a bat... Like I said,
twisted.

DARK

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OCCULTMsg # 42 of 131                  Date: Sun 15/12/1996,  4:28 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 22 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All
Subject: ...

Is there anybody... OUT THERE?

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OCCULTMsg # 43 of 131                  Date: Sun 15/12/1996,  6:29 pm  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 22 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: ...

>Is there anybody... OUT THERE?

Yes Smile

Hey heres one!  Does anyone know anything about Aural photography?
I saw a couple of shots the other day and I just could'nt help but come to
the conclusion that they must be a money making hoax.

I want to believe but this outfit is charging people for photos that they
take with a special zillion dollar camera that captures aura's on film.
Surely we would have seen of heard more about this type of thing on TV
first?

In one of the photos there are three yellow patches amid a red haze, almost
like mist surrounding the head and shoulders. The person that it was of said
that they were his spirit guides. Ok.... but surely the whole world would be
a buzz with this break-through.?

Anyone got any ideas??

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OCCULTMsg # 44 of 131                  Date: Sun 15/12/1996,  8:24 pm  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 23 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS
Subject: Re: ...

>>Is there anybody... OUT THERE?
>
>Yes Smile
>
>Hey heres one!  Does anyone know anything about Aural photography?
>I saw a couple of shots the other day and I just could'nt help but come to
>the conclusion that they must be a money making hoax.
>
>I want to believe but this outfit is charging people for photos that they
>take with a special zillion dollar camera that captures aura's on film.
>Surely we would have seen of heard more about this type of thing on TV
>first?
>
>In one of the photos there are three yellow patches amid a red haze, almost
>like mist surrounding the head and shoulders. The person that it was of said
>that they were his spirit guides. Ok.... but surely the whole world would be
>a buzz with this break-through.?
>
>Anyone got any ideas??

Yeah, it's called Kirlian photography and it's really quite old.
There are many methods of photographing aura's now.
Aura's are just an electromagnetic field around the human body.
I forgot the frequency range (I had it written down somewhere) but it's not
thermal radiation, because that's a lower frequency range.
All living biological things have an electromagnetic field around them,
because radiation doesn't just stop, like the heat from a heater radiates in
a field around it.
This field of electromagnetic radiation is even used nowadays in some
conventional medical diagnosis. Sort of like measuring EEG's to see how
healthy the brain is.   It's all straightforward physics really, and this
spiritual hype is made up by people who don't understand biology/physics and
want to feel important.   Kirlian photography can be done quite cheaply too,
so these people charging heaps are a ripoff.
What a mouthful, I hope this makes some sense and lends some perspective.

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OCCULTMsg # 45 of 131                  Date: Mon 16/12/1996, 10:02 pm  [E]
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 23 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: All
Subject: Freaky conspricy guy..

Tonnes of text to read, if you can't be bothered reading it now, press 'o'
then 'd' then 'm' then 'z' and read it another time. :> It's really freaky
for me.

20k to follow..

---------------

Tim Shaw
Sydney.
Australia.
TIMSHAW@msn.com

Hi,

This is an open letter to my friends and family concerning
information necessary for you to know for our immediate future.
Feel free to copy it and pass it on if you choose.

It's hard to know where to start, and some of you may choose not
to believe the info that follows.  It is how-ever going to
dominate our existence in the near future, and you will have to
come to terms with it one way or another.  I believe it's almost
impossible you will get the truth about these matters from the
powers that be, and in our rip and read corporate media, true
investigative journalism is a myth.

Just for the record, in 1970, I observed a UFO on the north coast
of Tasmania.  It was directly outside the house I was in, and was
there for 4-5 minutes.  It was about 25 feet from where I was.
They do exist,  they are not tourists!  They have been observed
throughout all history.

I have done an immense amount of research into the following
info.  As far as I am concerned, it's the truth. The truth will
be your best ally.

Everything that has happened this century, (as opposed to the
previous 2 and more thousand years)  the technology, the wars,
the political expansionism of Western control, has been a lead up
to what's about to happen shortly.

Hale-Bopp 

Currently there is a comet named "Hale-Bopp" out near Jupiter,
headed our way. (Not on a collision course) It makes it's closest
approach by earth in April of 97.  It has a number of
characteristics that distinguish it from normal comets. It
changes course, emits huge jets of material (250,000 kilometres
long!) in symmetrical patterns, that are turned on and off.  It
emits it's own light source.  It was first noticed in 1993. The
earliest an unknown comet has ever been discovered until Hal-Bopp
was 7 months before it's closest approach.  Hale-Bopp was
observed 44 months before.  This is actually supposed to be
impossible under current comet theory, due to the fact that
comets only emit light when they get close and react with our
sun. There is another object that appears from behind Hale-Bopp
at certain times.  This object is 4 times the size of earth, and
emits radio signals that show intelligent origin. This object has
been Photographed a number of times by astronomers. NASA's huge
space telescope named "Hubble", stopped releasing photos of
Hale-Bopp in October of 1995, over a year ago.  All major
telescopes have not released detailed photos since May this year.
The NASA internet site has only about 5 fuzzy amateur photos
since May, yet there is another smaller comet named "Hyatake"
which has hundreds of photos available.  NASA  has acknowledged
the strange behaviour of the Comet in it's comet news releases.
There have been thousands of people claiming to have contact with
UFOs this year.  A common theme from these people is that there
will be a landing of many craft in the near future, maybe even
before Christmas, to make the knowledge of UFO craft and their
occupants common knowledge.  For many decades, UFOs have been
debunked in the mass media. This campaign of debunking has been
successfully orchestrated by the most powerful intelligence
agencies. Remember, we only took to the skies and invented radar
a relatively short time ago.

There are a number of important issues to consider with contact
of others in the universe.

We as a race have contemplated if we are the only ones in the
galaxy.  From the research I've done, the joke seems to be that
every star system has life.  NASA recently announced a 3 billion
year old fossil confirming life on mars. This was followed a week
later by a similar announcement in Britain from geologists. What
a co-incidence. What they didn't tell you was that they knew this
decades ago.  Indeed, I myself read all about it at the beginning
of the year, and was amazed to see it on the front page news,
eight months later. I thought it was old news.  You see, it
doesn't become our accepted reality until an official agency
calls a press conference and tells the press to print it. Then
the masses accept it as fact. They recently announced "possible
life on Jupiter's moon - Europa".  What they have not told you,
that they have known for decades is that there is still life on
mars, Europa and Venus.  In the last 18 months they have started
discovering planets orbiting other stars, over a dozen in 18
months, from nil until that time.  Astronomers are now saying
that most stars, maybe even all stars have planets.  It is
becoming apparent, universe is teaming with life. Many NASA
officials, including astronaughts, have broken their silence
about life not of this planet.

So, this begs the question:  Are they good guys or bad guys?

I think, like on earth, there are both. Many of the well
documented alien contact cases ( that won't become fact until
NASA or some official agency calls a press conference. Don't hold
your breath, it ain't gonna happen! ) have described some
entities that seem to have a spiritual origin. Off planet beings
are aware of each other, and are completely aware of what the
soul/spirit is.  So not only is the universe filled with life,
but it encompasses different forms of life, not just
physical/biological. Spiritual beings as well. We have on earth
been cut off from the rest of the universe for a long long time.
We are about to be reconnected.

So, this begs the question:  Who's going to show up first, the
good guys or the bad guys?

I think it's anyone's guess. There seems to be some power play
taking place between those that want to keep us under control,
and those that would tell us the truth about the Universe. I
think we'll have to judge the visitors by the lies they tell when
they get here. This is why it is so important to know the truth,
and ponder this topic.

In the last couple of years, Hollywood, Television and other
media ( including the music industry) have pushed the Alien theme
hard.  Hollywood has had just this year, Independence day, The
Arrival, Star Trek First Contact, Mars Attacks ( a new one with
Jack Nicholson ) and a number of others.  T.V has X Files, 3rd
rock from the sun, Star Trek, Sightings and more.  Disneyland has
opened an E.T.  theme park, claiming openly that contact is
imminent.  This is actually part of a campaign. Have you noticed
how much  E.T related stuff has come onto the market?  Even
magazines are carrying abduction stories without making fun of
them.

McDonald Douglas aircraft Corporation are producing anti gravity
craft ( flying saucers ) that can get to the moon in no time
flat, they have for many years. They have already had help from
off planet intelligence.  This is documented by a number of
employees, that these guys are helping with technology. Very
strange things happen when you mess with powerful fields of
gravity.  It affects time itself, as well as making things
disappear. The power plants that power these craft develop
immense levels of energy with no pollution. The craft can exceed
the speed of light.

There have been sightings of UFOs around a number of recent
airline crashes, including the TWA 800 crash out of New York. It
is not out of the question that these particular UFOs are of
human origin, and are part of a fear based manipulation for
future events. ( along with the movie Independence day )

I have lost count of the number of free energy devices that have
been invented this century, and subverted by whatever means
necessary. Just one avenue of free energy is the fact that there
have been a number of cars designed that actually run on water.
I have checked this out, it is absolutely true.  An device called
an electrolysis chamber can split water into hydrogen and oxygen
and feed the engine hydrogen fuel instead of petrol, with
absolutely no pollution! And a number of people have designed
electrolysis units that are efficient enough to run our vehicles.
People have been killed to subvert this knowledge. We have become
within one human life-time, totally dependent on oil. As such, we
have fought wars for it (notably the recent Gulf war, killing
hundreds of thousands) , built up huge military industrial
complexes to protect our "natural resources", and it in turn, has
polluted our earth to the brink of extinction.  We are
brainwashed through the rip and read mass media into thinking
this pollution is because we as a race are too stupid to handle
technology. We carry the burden of guilt for attempting to kill
ourselves off..

BUT, you and I and the rest of the planet would vote in a second
for clean in-exhaustible energy. Are we given the opportunity?
The truth is, we have no choice but to use the disgusting
technology we have ended up with,  The pollution problem is not
your fault!!  It is the fault of a system that has forced this on
you, it is totally out of your control, and against anything you
would vote for.

So who controls it?

There are a number of key players involved in this.  Notable ones
are the name of Rothschild and Rockefella. Both family Dynasties
have been going for nearly three hundred years.

Under their control is:

The world bank,
International Monetary Fund
American Federal reserve
American Council of Foreign relations 
Tri-lateral commission
United Nations
All of the American banking System 
All of the the former Soviet Union banking System
Most of the banking system of the rest of the world, excluding China.
The military Industrial complex, both American and former Soviet Union
Media conglomerates ( including Reuters and AAP )
Hollywood
The major intelligence agencies. CIA/Mossad.
The Oil Industry

The list goes on and on, even Sony and Mitsubishi is owned by
Rockefella. Don't believe the myth that Bill Gates is the richest
man around. Rothschild is actually a Trillionaire!

These guys are sick of democracy, and have engineered through the
United Nations, a plan for a World government. They already are
the unseen Government.  Part of their agenda is population
control.  As far out as that seems, these guys funded both sides
of the second world war. They backed hitler and made a fortune
from both sides. Now they've decided there are too many of us. A
number of researchers have found incontrovertible evidence that
Aids and Ebola are actually viruses produced in laboratories of
the biological warfare industry, owned by the fore-mentioned, and
disseminated on purpose!

The plan for world government is well advanced, and close to
being implemented.  Suffice to say, the pattern of behaviour of
these powerful manipulators is usually to create a problem, then
step in with the solution.  There's much I can say about the
details of this plan, but the bottom line is that there will be a
huge economic crash. The biggest. They can engineer it. On top of
that we have this new contact with other races of the universe.
Out of the chaos that ensues, they will offer a solution that
will solve our economic/ecological/alien threat problems;
(Problems they created!) WORLD GOVERNMENT!  with a new global
currency.  "We must unite against a possible Alien attack", we
will be told.  A shell shot bewildered desperate population will
see sense in this solution, and will accept this noble attempt to
rebuild the system.  That will be the last you see of freedom.

Recently three huge trading blocks were ratified. 1. NAFTA
(North American free trade agreement ) 2. The European Economic
Union 3. APEC.  (Asia Pacific economic union )

The head of the NAFTA block is Bill Clinton. And as you saw in
the news recently, The head of the APEC trading block meeting was
Bill Clinton. Spot the mistake?  Not a word of criticism from our
media.  Does the Managing Director of General Motors go and
conduct the board meetings for Ford?  They are competitors.  What
is Bill doing in APEC!?  Our fearless leaders must have
negotiated hard for that one! The United Nations already has the
power to overturn Australian court decisions.  It also can sign
in new agreements (in effect, laws) totally bypassing the
Australian parliament.  It already has signed in hundreds.

Bill Clinton actually signed over sovereignty of the U.S.
military to the United Nations at the beginning of this year
(96).  A large militia movement in America is continuing to grow.
It is estimated to be around a million strong at this time. They
are armed and opposed to the "New World Order", as the push for
world government is known.  They are networked across the United
States and have many experienced military personnel amongst their
ranks. These guys are armed, organised, experienced and deadly
serious! Internment camps have been built by the government right
across the U.S.  The court case for the suspects in the Oklahoma
bombing tragedy, has turned up so much evidence of intelligence
agents being involved, even the victims families are getting into
the act to  find out the truth behind this. There is a concerted
effort to discredit the militia to such a degree that it will be
a sinch to round them up and intern them without public outcry,
when the time comes. Clinton also just signed in a law enabling
road blocks to be set up, and cars to be searched for illegal
guns. While in Australia and the U.K. guns are being taken out of
the community.

The theory of evolution can explain many changes through-out
species. The famous example of proof that is offered for
Darwinism is that of butterflies of various colours on a tree
trunk. The most obvious uncamouflaged ones are the first targets
to fall prey to birds, thus resulting in a colour change in a
species, a more camouflaged species.  Of course, this applies to
humans as well.  If Hitler had his way, most of us would have
blonde hair and blue eyes. BUT, did you realise that there is
absolutely no evidence that a bacteria can turn into an elephant!
Nor do the fossil records show any proof that man came from apes.
There are glaring gaps in the fossil records. Scientists are
still looking for these fossils to fill in the gaps, in order to
validate the man from apes theory. Of course, this hasn't stopped
the education system teaching it as fact this century. They also
teach that Christopher Columbus discovered the world was round.
Yet I stood next to a globe in Florence, Italy that was made in
1175. I saw evidence in the Cairo museum of Egyptian Global
knowledge, thousands of years old.  In fact ,nearly every ancient
civilisation shows evidence of global knowledge.  Chris Columbus
was actually thick as a brick, and thousands of years behind the
times. To get western culture to believe the world was flat,
while at the same time, ships of all cultures were sailing all
over the place, took a totalitarian education process that hid
the truth.  This is also what has happened re our knowledge of
earth and the rest of the universe.

Consider this:

* An iron cup was recovered in an Oklahoma coal mine
* Metal tube recovered from a 65 million year old chalk pit
* A gold chain encased in a lump of Illinois coal
* A grooved metal sphere taken from a pre - Cambrian mineral deposit
* A nail embedded in sandstone in Scotland.

Items of this nature have been discovered and documented.  They
totally disprove the theory that we came from apes, and that we
are the first advanced culture on this planet.  Scientists are so
tuned into the education paradigm, they think that these
anomalies will somehow, one day, as if by magic, fit into the
history and evolution theory we have been taught, and continue to
teach our young.  You cannot put a square peg into a round hole.
Our true history has been erased.

There are many secret societies, throughout different continents,
that have been traced back thousands of years.. They have brought
about changes in governments and in the education system over
that time. Freemasonry is a prominent name that comes to mind.
This is not to say that all freemasons are part of some world
control conspiracy. The freemasonry is full of good people doing
good things, who wouldn't hear of such a wild idea. The trouble
with secret societies, be it the CIA,Mafia, or freemasonry is;
you follow orders and are not told the game plan.
Compartmentalisation is what keeps the secrets. You just take a
vow of allegiance and do your bit, probably in the belief that
where-ever the orders originate, there's some wise sage looking
after your interests. Incidentally, the mafia and Italian
intelligence agency have a secret society called P2. This
organisation was involved in the murder of the good Pope John
Paul a few decades back. There is a heirachy to these societies
that is trans-continental.  Control eminates from a central few.
We could call them the Illuminati for want of a better name, but
these guys are so devious that like "Prince" the pop star, they
have no name.  Who are they?  Rothschild, and Rockefella!
Understand the implications of  that; the CIA and Mafia answer to
the same command!  All those CIA drug scandals of recent years,
including Iran Contra scandal. Who runs the drug markets of the
world? The CIA/Mafia implications in the JFK assassination - it
was both!  Now you know who's toes JFK stepped on! And what about
the space shuttle? It exists solely to keep you stupid!

So, In summing up;

* Stock up on non perishable food.

* If any Alien race shows up with Bill Clinton and tries to tell
you they just stumbled over us recently, and are here to give us
free non-polluting energy to solve our problems, they are lying.

(they could have given them to us anytime throughout history)

* You live beyond this lifetime, and these guys can only
manipulate you if you are in doubt about this. It's also why an
alien race isn't going to wipe us out. It's why they keep you in
the dark and tell you nothing. You are controlled through a fear
based society, that has always been influenced from beyond our
earth. At the moment you are almost too scared to walk down the
street, due to the mass media barage of negativity, which in turn
causes a decline.  This is no accident. It is the influence of
intelligences more advanced than us.  As much as we'd like to
think we were the first ones in the universe to invent TV, if we
believe that, it is a supreme act of human stupidity.

Everything that has happened this century, (as opposed to the
previous 2 and more thousand years) particularly the technology,
has been a lead up to what's about to happen shortly.  The
negative influences on us know that their control is coming to an
end, this is they're last ditch effort before the end of game
siren sounds.  Due to the biological/spiritual nature of life
throughout the universe, any open contact with other races
eventually must lead to learning the truth about who you are,
where you came from, and where you are going, a nuts and bolts
knowledge and conscious connection of your powerful soul - a
spiritual awakening. It is about to happen within our lifetime!
We are going home. The truth shall set us free.
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Yeah yeah, heaps of text, but freaky :>
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OCCULTMsg # 46 of 131                  Date: Tue 17/12/1996, 10:40 am  [E]

From: AIMEE                      Read: 25 times

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Freaky conspricy guy..

>* If any Alien race shows up with Bill Clinton and tries to tell
>you they just stumbled over us recently, and are here to give us
>free non-polluting energy to solve our problems, they are lying.

.. .Makes me wonder if this is one of the guys that wander through central
park with tin foil hats trying to pick up alien frequencies ;>

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OCCULTMsg # 47 of 131                  Date: Sun  2/02/1997, 11:47 pm  [E]
From: LUPUS                      Read: 23 times

     To: BJ THE HUN
Subject: Re: Freaky conspricy guy..


As regards to Mr Shaws letter - Weeeeelll

The first bit sounds like a X-Files script, Good aliens and bad aliens I'm
sure the little green, grey or whatever beasties couldn't wait to travel x-
light years to get hold of our green and well poluted little world, if they
waited that extra centry they should be able to get it for nothing.

The use of Hyrdrogen for a fuel has being know for years - I recall one of
my science teachers discussing it back in the early 70s.  The only problem
with it is that it runs an engine at exceptionaly high tempertures ( at over
a 1000 degrees if memory serves) Which means that it you want to run your
car on the stuff you would have to have rather exceptional (and expensive
heat resistent metal) for the engine and and equally excepentive cooling
system - the ole water fill radiator just would'nt hack it.  Also in
regards to explosive capacity hydrogen is not the nicest stuff to play with
- remember the Hindenberg?

Finaly - Darwin  they have been attacking his theory for years (since the
1850s) and he still holds out the evidence for natural selection is there
and the new genitic evidence comming through is even more support  to
evolution - not that the creationist like to admit it.

Guess its time to beam me up Scotty.

Lupus

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OCCULTMsg # 48 of 131                  Date: Thu  6/02/1997,  1:29 pm  [E]
From: LUPUS                      Read: 24 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: SIR MUDGUARD
Subject: Re: Freaky conspricy guy..

>>I love the tricks that the Amazing Randy as played on them over the years -
>>ever hear of the Alpha experiment?
>
>No I haven't, please elaborateSmile

One of the major research instiutes in the US was heavily involved in ESP
experiments (Caltech or MIT or something like that - they were the one who
tested Uri Geller).  They went on a search to find some more pysics who were
as good and came across two young men who proved to be amazing, they could
do telepathy, remote views, identifying drawings in sealed envelopes,
objects in sealed boxes all the usual stuff.  The scientists were wrapped
and the experiments went on for a year.

Till Randy held a press confernce and identified the two young men as his
students (Randy is a stage conjuror) who had gone to the institute under his
instructions.  If they had everr being challanged they would have admitted
everything but they never were - needless to say all there miricles had been
proformed using standard conjouring techniques.

The scientists involved were all rather red faced by it all and the
programme was quietly dropped.

Lupus

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OCCULTMsg # 49 of 131                  Date: Thu  6/02/1997,  9:19 pm  [E]
From: RON                        Read: 24 times

     To: LUPUS
Subject: Re: Freaky conspricy guy..

>One of the major research instiutes in the US was heavily involved in ESP
>experiments (Caltech or MIT or something like that - they were the one who
>tested Uri Geller).  They went on a search to find some more pysics who were
>as good and came across two young men who proved to be amazing, they could
>do telepathy, remote views, identifying drawings in sealed envelopes,
>objects in sealed boxes all the usual stuff.  The scientists were wrapped
>and the experiments went on for a year.
>
>Till Randy held a press confernce and identified the two young men as his
>students (Randy is a stage conjuror) who had gone to the institute under his
>instructions.  If they had everr being challanged they would have admitted
>everything but they never were - needless to say all there miricles had been
>proformed using standard conjouring techniques.
>
>The scientists involved were all rather red faced by it all and the
>programme was quietly dropped.
>
You say that they kept this up for a year! They wasted the time of so many
people and every day looked them in the face and continued the charade?
I find that almost as hard to swallow as a skeptic would the other
conclusion.

It sounds like a cover-up, but then I always was one for conspiracy
theories. Smile

As for remote viewing, heck even I have had two such experiences, no tricks
there! Both times I was very physically exhausted but mentally alert.
I closed my eyes to go to sleep and was confronted by vivid images that ran
like a full cinemascope movie, exactly the same as if my eyes were open.
I was able to give a full running commentary of what I saw to my then wife
as she was also awake in the bed lying beside me. The images stopped after a
few minutes and I talked about it for some time further before finally going
to sleep.

Unlike dreams, I was merely along for the ride, I had no control over what I
saw. Both times they envolved images of flying high above the landscape, I
was how-ever able to stop and focus on what ever I choose, just as I would
had I been experiencing this in the flesh so to speak.

I draw nothing more from the experience than the belief that the human
spirit is not tied permanently to the flesh and bone that with which it
normally resides. <GG>

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OCCULTMsg # 50 of 131                  Date: Fri  7/02/1997,  5:56 pm  [E]
From: SIR MUDGUARD               Read: 27 times

     To: LUPUS
Subject: Re: Freaky conspricy guy..

>The scientists involved were all rather red faced by it all and the
>programme was quietly dropped.

Back in 1979 when i was at Auckland uni this guy toured around the world
doing psychic stuff for all the students. man he was good. Did all the usual
stuff, spoon bending telepathy, heaps of stuff.
Before each show he asks how many of thew audience believe in esp, only a
few put their hands up. He does a few tricks and _really portraits himself
as a real psychic. He asks again how many believe and about 2/3rds put up
their hands. This apparently the percentage of people in the developed world
that so. He does more really great tricks. Has a line setup for his psychic
mate in Dunedin, asks the audience for objects and asks the other guy to
tell him what he's holding. Right every time. At the end of it he tells
every one it's all a hoax and explains all the tricks. Is name was Henry
Royce he spends his life doing this. Best free entertainment I ever had. One
of his tricks is to ask the audience to think of a 2 digit number. He sits
back and says he's recieving mixed messages but says he can _really_ feel
the number 26 coming through. The asks how many of the audience projected
that number to him. About a fifth of the audience indicated they did.
According to him idf you ask an audience to pick a 2 digit number the vast
majority will pick a number between 22 and 28. Try it out i have it works.
Blows your socks off at the time Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 51 of 131                  Date: Tue 11/03/1997,  7:00 pm  [E]
From: XLNC                       Read: 33 times

     To: AIMEE WINN              Fwd From: :     Subconscious Yearnings...    
Subject: Deja vu

I get Daja vu all the time. Best time (Wich every one I know has
a similar story about) was one time when up north in a place I had never
been, started recognising things... told a friend what I seemed to know
about a building round a bend... and there it was when we got there.
It wasn't somthing I had seen in a documentry or anything. Just seemed to
know the place.

I wonder if some memories can be passed down through parents along
with the few vitals like how to breath & cry etc.

--== X.L.N.C ==--

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OCCULTMsg # 52 of 131                  Date: Sun  2/03/1997, 11:17 pm  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 28 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :     Subconscious Yearnings...    
Subject: Re: This area

>>>Me and a friend had a dream on the same night about being chased around a
>>>service station like some kind of action movie... we both compared it
>>>afterwards and we had the facts completely right!
>>>
>>Wow­ Shared dreams­ Would this be tapping into mankinds collective
>>super-conciousness¨
>
>Dunno, but it was very weird.. there were other friends with us, (all died),
>and we were able to compare the times and places of these people's deaths.
>
>We never really tried to work out how this happened.. there are too many
>things we could have said it was, so left it alone :>

A friend and I saw a ghost at the same time, and we saw exactly the same
thing.  She could also tell when certain things happened while I was at
work, and had the times recorded (correctly) to the minute they actually
occurred.  She had a psychic auntie or something.  I've wanted to have a
shared dream with someone, but not had quite that happen.
If it did I'd record it for sure.

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OCCULTMsg # 53 of 131                  Date: Wed 12/03/1997, 10:40 pm  [E]
From: BUTCHER                    Read: 33 times  [1 Reply]

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: :     Subconscious Yearnings...    
Subject: Re: Deja vu

>I get Daja vu all the time. Best time (Wich every one I know has
>a similar story about) was one time when up north in a place I had never
>been, started recognising things... told a friend what I seemed to know
>about a building round a bend... and there it was when we got there.
>It wasn't somthing I had seen in a documentry or anything. Just seemed to
>know the place.

Today, my friend and I were talking about how regularly we get it(dejavu in
the sense that you know what's going to happen in the next hundredth of a
second for about 5-10 seconds)... after he had one this morning....  He even
remembered his voice doing a major squeak(which it did!!!), but he
remembered he could not get his voice back down to it's normal pitch....
weird...

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OCCULTMsg # 54 of 131                  Date: Thu 24/04/1997,  7:11 pm  [E]
From: XLNC                       Read: 22 times

     To: BUTCHER
Subject: Re: Deja vu

>Today, my friend and I were talking about how regularly we get it(dejavu in
>the sense that you know what's going to happen in the next hundredth of a
>second for about 5-10 seconds)... after he had one this morning....  He even
>remembered his voice doing a major squeak(which it did!!!), but he
>remembered he could not get his voice back down to it's normal pitch....
>weird...
Was somone holding him in an awkward position?
I shouldnt have said that.. I can feel the skin on my neck crawling just
thinking of it.  d8)

The trouble I have had with Jeja Vi is that the flashes I have are of normal
things that are of absolutely no use. Like remembering walking past a
complete stranger who got into a car. Well big deal. What fame & fortune is
that going to bring me.

                ---=== X.L.N.C wuz here ===---

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OCCULTMsg # 55 of 131                  Date: Wed  7/05/1997,  3:36 am  [E]
From: DETH                       Read: 25 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All
Subject: Well, I dunno.

  Hmm.  Seeing as most of the posts on this board are completely off the
topic, maybe I should try to introduce a note of (in)sanity.

  Ok, flash back about 4-5 years.  I've just been thrown outta home, I've
been living up to my tagline 'Deth: The Chemically Happy' and I have a
gorgeous girlfriend as well.  I'm crashing in the lounge of a flat with her
and about 8 close friends are our flatmates.  What I'm trying to say is that
I was fairly comprehensively screwed up and loving every second of it.

  And then, one night when Liz and I are curled up in bed, I start getting
these spooky visions.  Liz turns to me before I can say anything and asks
'Can you feel it?'

  Damn right I can.  What we both experienced was a group of something
tidying up something left by a friend, namely a _very_ tightly shielded
portal.  Something was trying to get through, something very not good.  The
smell of rotting roses filled our noses, and we 'saw' (for want of a better
word) a group of things in the back garden clustered around a weapon, a
sword or maybe one of those old Maori spears (I can't remember the name, my
apologies to any who are offended.)  Eventually, the vision fades and the
scent dissapears.

  The reason I bring this up is as a warning:  Just a couple of months ago,
I met someone who I now consider in many ways my mentor, someone who is just
so mind-buggeringly strong at this sort of shit that he can get through my
shields.  We have... a link is the best way of describing it.  We can use
each others energy, and we have a general idea of each others location and
health (I kid you not.  Blind fold me, spin me around till I puke and I'll
still point directly at him, even if he's a country away.)  And here's the
scary bit.  that whole buisness in the flat wasn't to get at me:  Rather, it
linked into to me back then so it could link into my friend and try and
flatten him using me as a conduit.

  Unfortunately for this entity, it got flooded by so much energy when it
completed the link, it couldn't handle it.  Gave everybody in the vicinity a
headache for a couple of days, and fried itself to a crisp.  The universe is
not a friendly place my children:  Not even to those who wait in the
Darkness...

Deth (Who goes through periods of belief, and Belief.)

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OCCULTMsg # 56 of 131                  Date: Wed  7/05/1997,  7:39 pm  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 24 times  [1 Reply]

     To: DETH
Subject: Re: Well, I dunno.


>Deth (Who goes through periods of belief, and Belief.)

I both envy you and fear your gift. It exites me and terrifies me.

<shudder>

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OCCULTMsg # 57 of 131                  Date: Thu  8/05/1997,  8:13 pm  [E]
From: DETH                       Read: 20 times

     To: ZOSIMOS
Subject: Re: Well, I dunno.

>I both envy you and fear your gift. It exites me and terrifies me.
>
><shudder>

  Envy?  You envy someone who half the time wonders if he's fully sane by
todays standards, and the other half rejects what he's experienced because
of what other people say?

  Yeah, I'd envy me if I weren't I myself.

  So, how do other people reconcile their spirituality with todays society?
How do you fit all that is happening around you into a world view that is
internally consistient and cohesive?

  I don't.  I believe in myself enough to believe that other people can be
wrong.  I also believe that consistiency is the mark of a small mind.  I
believe that technology and mysticism can co-exist, but it takes a lot of
work and respect.


  On the subject, has anyone else out there tried linking their computer
into your personal energy fields?  I swear Dreadlock is getting more and
more of a personality every day.  Of course, that could just be Windows '95
Smile

Deth (Fruitloops!  Fruitloops!)

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OCCULTMsg # 58 of 131                  Date: Wed 14/05/1997, 12:14 am  [E]
From: DETH                       Read: 20 times  [1 Reply]

     To: RASPUTIN
Subject: Re: HTML ... again

>Anyway, I searched for and found stuff on the inet about astral
>projection, and how to do it.  A coupla files found, but I want more.
>Anyone got any good text files, or URL's on astral projection?
>Alternately: Anyone DONE this???

  I can't give you any web sites or such like, but I have done some fooling
around with astral projection.  It seems to be (in my more cynical moments)
a case of free-associating wildly and seeing where it takes you.

  On the other hand, I do believe in this stuff.  Hmm, best way I can
describe it is:  Close your eyes.  Now, assuming you can read this message
with your eyes closed, you're astrally projecting Smile

  On a more serious note, I tend to relax (often harder than it seems) and
try and follow a 'feeling' that I first got it the presence of someone woh
does this a lot.  Best way I can describe it is a vibration, like sound only
different... more visual than auditory.  I "see" it better with my eyes
closed.  I simply become attuned to this vibration, and then I soar...
Sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm still working this stuff out for
myself.  Any decent New-Age bookstore (Unity springs to mind) will be able
to help, or the Wellington Public Library is sure to have some gumpf on it.

Deth (Sugar junky.)

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OCCULTMsg # 59 of 131                  Date: Wed 14/05/1997, 12:22 am  [E]
From: DETH                       Read: 18 times

     To: ZOSIMOS
Subject: Re: Well, I dunno.


>If you can question your own sanity, your fine Smile
>It takes a particularly healthy mind to question itself constantly.

  How do you know?  Why is it not possible that by questioning my sanity, I
am in fact opening the doors to the realm of chaos?  How do you -know- that
you are right?

Deth (The curious)

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OCCULTMsg # 60 of 131                  Date: Thu 15/05/1997,  9:47 pm  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 18 times

     To: DETH
Subject: Re: HTML ... again

>>Anyway, I searched for and found stuff on the inet about astral
>>projection, and how to do it.  A coupla files found, but I want more.
>>Anyone got any good text files, or URL's on astral projection?
>>Alternately: Anyone DONE this???
--- snip ---
>  I can't give you any web sites or such like, but I have done some fooling
>around with astral projection.  It seems to be (in my more cynical moments)
>a case of free-associating wildly and seeing where it takes you.
>
>Sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm still working this stuff out for
>myself.  Any decent New-Age bookstore (Unity springs to mind) will be able
>to help, or the Wellington Public Library is sure to have some gumpf on it.

I have friends who laugh at this, and i have heard stories from those who
have had 'little difficulties' while travelling, or successfully abused this
'skill'.  I've had a few demonstrations that have convinced me, but then I
can't share the experience with my non-believing mates, as retelling the
experience is nowhere the same as experiencing it first hand.
One text i read mentioned that Astral Projection wasn't the same as Etheric
travel, which is the actual 'travelling' one.
Then there's _aura_ and _Chi_.  Even science has defined the electromagnetic
spectrum of the aura.  I reckon it should be renamed so that people don't
get the electromagnetic field around biological organisms confused with some
esoteric/religious mumbo-jumbo.  But after all, people will believe what
they want to, which may well be for the better on the whole Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 61 of 131                  Date: Thu 15/05/1997,  4:46 pm  [I]
From: NIMROD                     Read: 19 times  [1 Reply]

     To: XLNC                    Origin: 13:666/50
Subject: Re: Deja vu

>\wh\iv\blI get Daja vu all the time. Best time (Wich every one I know has
>a similar story about) was one time when up north in a place I had never
>been, started recognising things... told a friend what I seemed to know
>about a building round a bend... and there it was when we got there.
>It wasn't somthing I had seen in a documentry or anything. Just seemed to
[B>know the place.\no

I dreamed about this girl 2-3 weeks before I actually met her. That doesn't
seem so amazing untill I tell you that I knew her name too. and I have no
conscious memory of ever seeing her before. So somehow she got into my dream
or our thoughts crossed somewhere.

>\wh\iv\blI wonder if some memories can be passed down through parents alo
>with the few vitals like how to breath & cry etc.\no

In fact it is possible. I surpose you've heard of kirlian photoggraphy?
That's where they can actually photograph a person'a aura or magnetic field.
The strange thing is that when someone's leg is amputated that the leg's
aura shows up in the photograph as if it was still there. And in the few
minutes before the all the cells in the amputated leg dies it still has a
ghost image of a body attached to it. Anyway, they've proven we have these
electromagggnetic auras and now they rekon that information can be
transmited between two people the same way that a magnetic field from
electricity can be converted directly into radio waves. So if we direct our
thoughts somehow we can make our bodies become radio transmiters. They rekon
this can happen at times of extrem[Be emotional intensity or pyschic
instability ie childbirth (traumatic for both child and baby) and then any
memories or experience churning over at low levels are passed down to the
baby which is in a extremely receptive state too. So it is possible.


Tim





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OCCULTMsg # 62 of 131                  Date: Fri 16/05/1997,  1:50 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 18 times  [1 Reply]

     To: RASPUTIN
Subject: Re: HTML ... again

>>>Anyway, I searched for and found stuff on the inet about astral
>>>projection, and how to do it.  A coupla files found, but I want more.
>>>Anyone got any good text files, or URL's on astral projection?
>>>Alternately: Anyone DONE this???
>>
>>Been there, done that :>
>
>The Inet bit, or the projection bit¨

The projection bit... quite easy really, we almost all do it during our
sleep.  The trick is to *remember* it in the morning.. which most of us
don't.  We either remember it as a flying dream or our brains construct a
story around it because it doesn't have sod all to do with the dream, but it
does like to keep a hand in :>
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OCCULTMsg # 63 of 131                  Date: Sat 17/05/1997, 12:04 am  [E]

From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 17 times

     To: NIMROD
Subject: Re: Deja vu

>I dreamed about this girl 2-3 weeks before I actually met her. That doesn't
>seem so amazing untill I tell you that I knew her name too. and I have no
>conscious memory of ever seeing her before. So somehow she got into my dream
>or our thoughts crossed somewhere.

One of my ex's dreamed heaps of stuff about me, and it turned out
correct.  She knew lots of details too...

>In fact it is possible. I surpose you've heard of kirlian photoggraphy?
>That's where they can actually photograph a person'a aura or magnetic field.
>The strange thing is that when someone's leg is amputated that the leg's
>aura shows up in the photograph as if it was still there. And in the few
>minutes before the all the cells in the amputated leg dies it still has a
>ghost image of a body attached to it. Anyway, they've proven we have these
>electromagggnetic auras and now they rekon that information can be

All scientifically defined now, much to my delight, yet there are many
who selectively reject scientific acknowledgement of these things, possibly
because they have difficulty challenging their own preconceptions.

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OCCULTMsg # 64 of 131                  Date: Sat 17/05/1997, 12:09 am  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 18 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: HTML ... again

>The projection bit... quite easy really, we almost all do it during our
>sleep.  The trick is to *remember* it in the morning.. which most of us
>don't.  We either remember it as a flying dream or our brains construct a
>story around it because it doesn't have sod all to do with the dream, but it
>does like to keep a hand in :>

yeah, many people claim not to have dreamt at all, when they've merely
not remembered the dreams.  The astral projection (common) I'm most
interested in is called Etheric travel, to differentiate it from the latter,
which is a bit different (though the latter can occur in dreams too).
Some people I've heard doing this had some freaky stories to tell, even
'proving themselves' with remote materialisations, and reporting on what
they saw and altered afterwards. Their stories checked out, even though my
house was well locked at the time, etc...
Unfortunately, one of these people (woman in 40's) had scary difficulties in
her 'travels', and other guy (youngish male) did unrepeatable things, which
is a bit of a shame, because he caused others quite some trouble.
I guess this is why OOB travel is so tempting both for good and nefarious
use.

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OCCULTMsg # 65 of 131                  Date: Sat 17/05/1997, 12:34 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 18 times  [1 Reply]

     To: RASPUTIN
Subject: Re: HTML ... again

>Unfortunately, one of these people (woman in 40's) had scary difficulties in
>her 'travels', and other guy (youngish male) did unrepeatable things, which
>is a bit of a shame, because he caused others quite some trouble.
>I guess this is why OOB travel is so tempting both for good and nefarious
>use.

I had a bit of a battle with this a few years back.  I had a group of
friends who were all into 'travelling' and decided to target my flat.  A
girlfriend and I had to construct some sort of protection around the flat
after I suffered weeks of problems with dreaming of waking up and seeing
people floating outside my windows and having to physically push them all
away.  Needless to say, I was pretty exhausted when waking up every morning.

After taking this for too long I had a talk with the people involved and
told 'em all to bugger off, and not to try it again.

Strange thing is, two of them could describe in detail the kind of screen I
imaged that I'd put around the house, and found it almost impossible to
enter my flat because of it.

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OCCULTMsg # 66 of 131                  Date: Sat 17/05/1997, 12:25 pm  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 20 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE
Subject: As above ... so below.

>I had a bit of a battle with this a few years back.  I had a group of
>friends who were all into 'travelling' and decided to target my flat.  A
>girlfriend and I had to construct some sort of protection around the flat
>after I suffered weeks of problems with dreaming of waking up and seeing
>people floating outside my windows and having to physically push them all
>away.  Needless to say, I was pretty exhausted when waking up every morning.
>
>After taking this for too long I had a talk with the people involved and
>told 'em all to bugger off, and not to try it again.
>
>Strange thing is, two of them could describe in detail the kind of screen I
>imaged that I'd put around the house, and found it almost impossible to
>enter my flat because of it.

Interesting the parallels between psychic and physical experience.

My belief is that it's the Will of the individual that controls their
astral/etheric self in the astral/etheric plane, in the same way that our
Will controls our direction in the material plane.
This would explain why there are such strong parallels in principle between
experience and interaction on the physical plane, and experience and
interaction on the astral plane.  After all, belief and interpretation is up
to our own minds, so we're bound to translate experience into some form of
more comprehensible common denominator.

Many people are psychically unaware, just as many people lack technical
understanding in the material world (eg. Physics, chemiustry, biology,
universal principles, commonsense...) . Not there's anything wrong with
that, we can't all be super-aware super-achievers I guess.

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OCCULTMsg # 67 of 131                  Date: Tue  1/07/1997,  4:45 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 20 times

     To: RASPUTIN
Subject: Re: As above ... so below.

>>Strange thing is, two of them could describe in detail the kind of screen I
>>imaged that I'd put around the house, and found it almost impossible to
>>enter my flat because of it.
>
>Interesting the parallels between psychic and physical experience.

That's only because we have a brain that tries to work out what the hell is
going on :>

If we had the concepts for astral stuff, then our brains would be better
able to explain it to us afterwards, instead of making up a dream/reality to
fit the experience.

Confused?  %)

>My belief is that it's the Will of the individual that controls their
>astral/etheric self in the astral/etheric plane, in the same way that our
>Will controls our direction in the material plane.

Wouldn't it be more lack of will that controls it?  If we had Will, then
things would go right for us.

>Many people are psychically unaware, just as many people lack technical
>understanding in the material world (eg. Physics, chemiustry, biology,
>universal principles, commonsense...) . Not there's anything wrong with
>that, we can't all be super-aware super-achievers I guess.

And why not? :>

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OCCULTMsg # 68 of 131                  Date: Wed 22/10/1997, 12:06 am
From: XLNC                       Read: 26 times

     To: GURU                    Fwd From: *ShitLink:  What's on telly?       
Subject: & on the 7th day he gave it to Murphy

>Yeh, tho I have several Jewish friends who believe the bible (old testament
>of course) is _the_ absolute truth, the unaltered word of god. Then there's
>the Christians who recon the Jews got it all wrong, and the New Testament
>is the utter truth. And then the Muslims, who recon the Jews AND the
>Christians got it all wrong, and they've got the true word of god as given t
>them by Muhammad.
>  And then of course Buddhists know that all three are wrong...

I still want to know how Adam & Eve had 2 sons, that were able (and Kane)
to go out into the woods and find Wives... Either they were their sisters...
or where the hell did they come from???

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OCCULTMsg # 69 of 131                  Date: Wed 22/10/1997, 11:47 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 22 times

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: *ShitLink:  What's on telly?       
Subject: Re: And on the 7th day he handed it 2 mu

>>  I like what John Spong (the Anglican Bishop dude) has to say about the
>>bible:
>>  "I wouldn't want to blame God for most of the words in the Bible. Some of
>>them are rather dreadful".
>>     Smile
>
>Yeh, God didnt write any of the bible, People did, and they wrote
>hearsay of what God was supposed to have said, mixed in with their own ideas
>of what rules people should follow. Ie the Woman obaying men things..
>Like God would have had Anything to do with that.

And the interesting "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live", which
mysteriously turned into 'Thou shalt not suffer a *witch* to live.'

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OCCULTMsg # 70 of 131                  Date: Wed 22/10/1997, 11:01 am
From: GURU                       Read: 21 times

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: *ShitLink:  What's on telly?       
Subject: & on the 7th day he gave

 Xl> Subject: & on the 7th day he gave it to Murphy

 Xl> I still want to know how Adam & Eve had 2 sons, that were able (and
 Xl> Kane) to go out into the woods and find Wives... Either they were their
 Xl> sisters... or where the hell did they come from???

You're not alone with this wish  Smile
  As far as I can work out:
  - There's this other woman called Lilith who turns up about the time of
Adam, Eve, Kane, and Abel.
  - When Kane kills Abel (I don't think at this time there is any mention
of them having wives), God tells Kane to bugger off. Kane is woried that he
will be killed by any person who finds him, so God sticks a mark on him
(prolly gives him a kick in the bum) so that people will not harm him.

  What this seems to mean to me is that the bible does not explicitly talk
about every human that God creates (viz. Lilith), and that the world is
already vaguely populated by the 2nd generation of humans. So basically I
guess, God was busy populating the world in his spare time.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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OCCULTMsg # 71 of 131                  Date: Thu 23/10/1997,  5:12 pm
From: GURU                       Read: 22 times

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: *ShitLink:  What's on telly?       
Subject: & on the 7th day he gave

 Xl> I can c him now... Ahh another lot finished... Hmm looks like I forgot
 Xl> to mix enough Brain matter in that batch... I know I'll stick it in the
 Xl> bin along with those BIG rats, the Beaver with a Bill, and those little
 Xl> tree dwelling bears that dont even Kill things.. And then I'll sink the
 Xl> place and drown them all leaving just that big red rock to mark the
 Xl> spot... (Unfortunately he got Noah's place mixed up with Oz and now
 Xl> look...

hehe... so he drowned the lot 'cos he stuffed it all up...
  In St John's Church in town, there's a mural with all the animals going
into Noah's ark in pairs. There's also single dinousaurs, a single unicorn,
pooh bear, and a couple of wombles...   Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 72 of 131                  Date: Wed 30/11/1994,  8:19 pm
From: LUPUS                      Read: 44 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Money for Roswell Saucer

The latest edition of the Skeptical Inquirer, reports that a US Congressman
has gotton The US audit office to do an investigation of the Roswell Saucer
Crash claims.

Over the last few years, and seavral books there is a claim that in 1947 a
flying Saucer crashed near a place called Roswell in Texas, and that the
American military recovered the remains of the saucer and its (dead?)
occupants. This particular story had been around for years, very few UFO
types were ever willing to take it seriously, untill 1980, when Charles
Berlitz (yes he of the Bermuda Triangle) and William Moore wrote a book
about it. Naturally the book verifies the story as factual. No actual
evidence, but lots of witnessess and so forth. Since then a lot of UFO types
have picked up the banner and run with it. Hey they abduct people, so
naturally there must be the odd crash landing.

Any way a true believer has managed to persuade the US federal government to
allocate money to launch an official investigation into the incident. I mean
why not, after all why waste money on NASA, or other groups, when we can
spend it on looking for crashed saucers.

An interesting point, if this investigation were to find evidence for the
crash - all well and good, I shall not hold my breath. But what if they
don't - what happens then, a new book "The Coverup!"

Lupus:{)>

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OCCULTMsg # 73 of 131                  Date: Thu  1/12/1994,  3:45 pm
From: LUPUS                      Read: 45 times

     To: AIME                   Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: What does it all mean?

>>Lupus:
>>And if you really dig the TV series the X-Files and want to rap about
>>whether Scully and Mulder will ever admit to each other that yeah they want
>>to do IT!, then sorry - try else where (Arty perhaps, love the show myself,
>>but this ain't the time or place)
>Aimee
>It would be a waste anyways... I've seen the episodes in the states!  *grin*
>*chuckle*

Listen oh - unspeakable one - don't you dare even hint, at what happens!!

Actually the series was interesting, in one episode a character (deep
throat) claims that yes the US airforce have seaveral crashed saucers, but
that the Roswell saucer was a hoax. The series did follow through on a lot
of current UFO thinking, in that if the US Government is covering up UFOs
then it must mean that there is a secret government hidden within the
official government. That the US is in fact ruled by secret oblarchys hidden
from view but using the power from the Saucers for their own evil ends.

This then leads us to some more even "interesting" beliefs, that some
christians go for - that this secret government is infact lead by the
Anti-Christ and that Flying Saucers are infact Demonic vehicles. Sadly this
has not quite made it as an X-File episode so far. :{)>

Lupus:{)>

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OCCULTMsg # 74 of 131                  Date: Mon  5/12/1994,  8:23 am
From: LUPUS                      Read: 41 times

     To: AIME                   Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: What does it all mean?


Aimee
>Okok.. but can I mention the one where Moulder gets laid?  Please?  *grin*
Weeeelll we have been told of the time he screwed on the top of Sir Arthur
Conan Doyles grave, that does suggest hes not as laid back as he makes out.
Just I think sometimes the writers let them both down.
>
>Lets just say that they round out the characters a bit more, and moulder
>stops being such a complete handywipe :>
goody I am looking forward to that!
>
>hehehehehehehehe which is quite funny... I'd heard that there was something
>in the bible about 'winged chariots' which have been transposed to mean
>something about flying saucers :>
>
>But it's not worth me reading it to find out for sure :>

Well there was the wheels with wheels contraption the Ezicle (some name like
that) saw. Back in the days of Von Danikin, some engineer decide to prove
Dannie baby wrong and read the revelent peice and suddenly had a change of
heart. For he drew a vheicle that fitted the discription. Now ited looked a
jim dandy vehicle, and Danny baby used it for one of his latter books Gold
of the Gods or something like that. Except the discription in the bible is
pretty loose and I'm sure that if you were to run a compition for drawing
Eziacles machine you'd have as many different drawings as entrys. Just
because someone is an engineer - does not make them an expert in Myths,
legends and theology.

Interestingly most of the main proponents of Scientific Creationism have
degrees in Engineering.Smile

However just before I get smug - I have come across an abductees guide to
being abducted by the Space Brothers, and what happens when they get you -
it was written by an Historian!!!!!

Lupus:{)>


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OCCULTMsg # 75 of 131                  Date: Mon 12/12/1994,  4:11 pm
From: AIME                      Read: 34 times

     To: HARRY REDD              Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: What does it all mean?

>Aimee> But it's not worth me reading it to find out for sure :>
>
>I agree - I tried it once when I was 12 or so. I found it very boring and it
>was written in this really silly dialect.

True.. maybe we should make a NZ version..... <dream sequence coming up..
imagine fadeout>

Jesus on the hilltop speaking to the masses:

"Yo Dudes!  <tap tap>  Is this thing on?  Lissen up mates, this is good
stuff!"

The 'Allo 'Allo version:

"Lissen to me vurry carefully, I shall say zis only onze..."

The 'Singing Detective' version:

<the masses burst into a lovely rendition of "you're the top", while Jesus
imagines strangling Mary>


Any others?  *grin*


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OCCULTMsg # 76 of 131                  Date: Sun 15/01/1995,  1:20 pm
From: LUPUS                      Read: 33 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Ghost pictures

From last years Sightings (yeah that really indepth series famed for its
research and accuracy!!) a technique to get pictures of the dearly departed,
or not so departed.

Hook up a Video camara to your TV then aim the camara on the telly screen
and video the image on the screen (whilst feeding back the image to the tv
screen) Supposedly in replying the tape, you should be able to make out
faces (accourding to some of the examples the producers showed for this
episode, you should get some pretty good likenesses.)

For those into to the paranormal - you might recognise this as a slightly up
dated version of setting up a tape recorder in an empty quiet room and
taping the quietness (eventually revealing contact from the "other side")

If any one has attempted one of the above - love to hear what you got (cause
you could try telepathing the results to me - kill three birds with one
stone as it were!)

Lupus:{)>

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OCCULTMsg # 77 of 131                  Date: Sat 18/03/1995,  1:26 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 35 times

     To: LUPUS                   Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: UFO abductions

>You'd think though that a civilisation capable of crossing the vastness of
>space and time would be more aware of the universe around them. Hell even we
>accept that the lower organisms feel pain.

Uh.. that's not true :>

The human race has often had varying ideas about other species... for
example, in school I was told that insects don't have nerves...

And the old slavers of African Americans did not believe that they had
emotions like 'normal people'.

<geeze, WHY would aliens want to visit us anyway, with our track record!>

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OCCULTMsg # 78 of 131                  Date: Mon 20/03/1995, 10:56 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 37 times

     To: LUPUS                   Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: UFO abductions

>One must also ask - what would be the point of such experiments and tests on
>an alien like heat and radiation resistance?

To find out if there's a way to kill *them* without killing humans at the
same time.

bastards.

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OCCULTMsg # 79 of 131                  Date: Sun  9/04/1995,  2:44 pm
From: LUPUS                      Read: 34 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: Okok.. here's one!

>Amiee challanged:
>See if you can explain *this* one!  *grin*
>
>You know about the 'white horse' on the mountainside?
>
>How did it get there, WHEN did it get there, and explain everything so that
>I can be a skeptic too :>
>
>hehehehe I'll think up some other ones that puzzle me along the way :>

Is this the famous white horse carve on the chalk hills in England?

And if it is - whats the mystery?  Did you know that there is also a white
Kiwi there as well!!

I know I'm a skeptic, but its nigh on impossible to be skeptical about
things which arn'nt mysteries. Oh that reminds me there are a couple of
chalk me carved on these hill sides, one with an enormous erect penis, which
local legend has it, if women go and sit on it for a time they will fall
pregnant before the year is out.

Lupus:{)>

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OCCULTMsg # 80 of 131                  Date: Thu 27/04/1995,  9:04 pm
From: LUPUS                      Read: 37 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: We: Re: Okok.. here's one!

>>>>things which arn'nt mysteries. Oh that reminds me there are a couple of
>>>>chalk me carved on these hill sides, one with an enormous erect penis, wh
>>>a couple of 'chalk me'(s)?!
>>>What, you go and cover yourself with talcum powder?   ;>
>>
>>Nah - get a friend Wink to do it for me!!
>
>That would account for the enormous erect penis :>
>
>
> I can't believe I said that...

No I can't believe you said that either! - However the correct response is
.......  Only if its a special friend.

Lupus
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OCCULTMsg # 81 of 131                  Date: Fri  9/06/1995,  8:48 pm

From: SKIDMARK                   Read: 33 times

     To: LUPUS                   Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: Re: Conspiracy

Msg # 476                        Date: Sun  7/05/95, 10:05 am  [I]
From: RORY O'KEEFFE              Read: 0 times


Subject: BFAD


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Hope you like this, from one of my friends in the states
Joseph

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 11:59:36 -0400
From: Thomas Esch <tesch@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
To: okeefej@angen.warc.cri.nz
Subject: (fwd) The Laws of Butterology and Feline Landings

Hey Joseph--
        Saw this on alt.callahans this morning and thought you might like
it.

[begin excerpt]

Maenad pops in with news from the Oracle. *giggle* Since this seems to be a
hot topic lately, I thought you folx might be interested.

Geoffrey Baker (editor@mbeacon.com) wrote:
: Antigravity, The Feline Butterology Theory

: Captured from the Usenet Oracle, 19930625

: This question was posed to the Usenet Oracle:

: If you drop a buttered piece of bread, it will fall on the floor : butter-
side down. If a cat is dropped from a window or other high and : towering
place, it will land on its feet.

: But what if you attach a buttered piece of bread, butter-side up to a :
cat's back and toss them both out the window? Will the cat land on its :
feet? Or will the butter splat on the ground?

: And in response, thus spoke the Oracle:

: Even if you are too lazy to do the experiment yourself you should be able
: to deduce the obvious result. The laws of butterology demand that the :
butter must hit the ground, and the equally strict laws of feline :
aerodynamics demand that the cat can not smash its furry back. If the :
combined construct were to land, nature would have no way to resolve this :
paradox. Therefore it simply does not fall.

: That's right, you clever mortal (well, as clever as a mortal can get), :
you have discovered the secret of antigravity! A buttered cat will, when :
released, quickly move to a height where the forces of cat-twisting and :
butter repulsion are in equilibrium. This equilibrium point can be :
modified by scraping off some of the butter, providing lift, or : removing
some of the cat's limbs, allowing descent.

: Most of the civilized species of the Universe already use this principle
: to drive their ships while within a planetary system. The loud humming :
heard by most sighters of UFOs is, in fact, the purring of several hundred
: tabbies.

: The one obvious danger is, of course, if the cats manage to eat the bread
: off their backs they will instantly plummet. Of course the cats will land
: on their feet, but this usually doesn't do them much good, since right :
after they make their graceful landing several tons of red-hot starship :
and pissed-off aliens crash on top of them.

: Flaws In the Flying Cat Theory: A Response

: Special to the Coastal Beacon

: A logical analysis of the BFAD (Buttered Feline Antigravity Drive) :
propulsion theory clearly demonstrates the impossibility of such a : system.

: Let us begin with a simple analysis.

: 1) Buttered bread must fall butter side down.
: 2) A cat always lands on its feet.

: While both theorems are indisputable, the oracle offers no proof of the :
construct. The oracle implies that anyone who 'would' test this construct :
would immediately find the secret of BFAD.

: This is clearly nonsense.

: Let us assume a normal Einsteinian universe (although a Euclidean :
universe would serve our purposes just as well, the Einsteinian is both :
cheaper and drinks are readily available.)

: To test BFAD, one must procure:
: Bread
: Butter (margarine, for some reason, will not work)
: A cat
: A strapping device.

: Let us assume that all of these are readily available.
: Attach the strapping device to the cat.

: See?

: No cat.

: What has happened? We have run up against an a priori universal law. By a
: priori, we mean that it takes priority over either the Buttered Bread :
Principle or the Law of Feline Landings.

: What happens is that the instant a strapping device and a cat occupy the
: same four dimensional space, the cat disappears.

: Now, this can easily be tested, and has been repeatedly.

: There are two schools of thought about this phenomenon.


: The first holds that a cat and a strapping device are constituted out of
: different fundamental building blocks. According to this theory, a cat is
: constituted primarily of superquarks, (called meows by current :
theorists.)

: These superquarks demonstrate qualities that are both atomic (constituted
: as they are of groupings of normal quark particles) and feline (because :
these quarks exhibit characteristic of "charmed" or "lucky" particles.)

: Again, according to this theory, strapping materials are fashioned out of
: non-charmed particles. Bringing the two together causes one or the other
: to cancel out. One aspect of this theory that has not been sufficiently :
explained to date is the fact that it is always the cat, not the :
strapping device, that disappears.

: The second school of thought, and it is one that appears to be gaining :
ground in academic circles today, holds that cats are, in fact,: super-
intelligent pan-dimensional beings who exist in our four : dimensional
universe only because there is plenty of good food and a : lot of creatures
stupid enough to provide the food, along with plenty : of attention.
Whenever a strapping device appears, the cat simply opens : a door to a
different series of dimensions, and goes on an extended tour.

: According to this theory, purring is a cat's way of maintaining a :
constant balance cycling across multiple dimensions. This school holds that
: antigravity is impossible, but that theoretically, a REALLY good grip on
: a cat, while reaching for a strapping device, could result in our ability
: to cross dimensions with ease (barring scratches, that is.) Pessimists :
argue that if there was anything really interesting in those other :
dimensions, cats wouldn't spend so much time here, so why ask for a : good
scratching?

--
>*< >*< anna piatkowski >*< >*< >*< renaissance maenad >*< >*< fun is good.

{end excerpt]

                take care--tre
  



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OCCULTMsg # 82 of 131                  Date: Mon  9/10/1995,  3:41 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 45 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :    A  sceptical look at the world
Subject: File for the X-Files :>

Last Thursday, I had the strangest thing happen... I got a phone call ...

Well.. I'll explain it as it went :>

RING RING!
Aimee:   Hello?
Caller:  Hi, is Tony there?
(This must be about the 20th call for Tony that I've had living here)
Aimee:   Tony who?
Caller:  Tony <something>
Aimee:   Nooo... but his name rings a bell. I can look him up in the user
         database and see if he exists, if you like <chuckle>
Caller:  Wut? Who are you?
Aimee:   I'm me.  Who are you?
Caller:  I'm <someone> Where have I called?
Aimee:   You've called the Board Shitless Bulletin Board System (hoping to
         confuse)
Caller:  You're Aimee of Board Shitless?
Aimee:   <stunned silence>  uh.. yeah...
Caller:  Hey!  I've called your board twice!  What's your address?
Aimee:   P O Box 9943, Te Aro, why?
Caller:  This must be fate, so I'm going to send you a donation to the
         board.
Aimee:   You're kidding.  Yeah?
Caller:  Yeah, I'm usually on Welcom but my access is running out, so I've
         been looking for another board.  How much is it?
Aimee:   It's $10 per year.
Caller:  That's cheap!  I'll join yours then.

<Various in-jokes, clowning around and idle chatter deleted for sanity
reasons>

Is that weird or what?!

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OCCULTMsg # 83 of 131                  Date: Mon 26/01/1998,  7:39 pm
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 19 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: All
Subject: Pet Sematary II

I stayed up last night and watched a bit of this movie with my GF.
I turned it off anfter a while because it made me feel uncomfortable.

I was woken by my GF a little later on as she had just had a nightmare and
was scared. The problem was, I too was having a bad dream (my nightmares are
pure terror, so it was just a bad dream) and couldn't offer very much
comfort, as I believed in my half asleep state that I was one of the undead.

Anyway that hung with me most all of the day, then GF phones to say that her
best friend also watched it and also had nightmares.

Now PS2 is not exactly a very scary movie but it sure stuffed up my nights
sleep, and I didn't even watch more than 30 minutes worth.
So just wondering how many thousands of Kiwi's had a bad night's sleep just
because they stayed up to watch some tacky B grade horror flick till late?.

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OCCULTMsg # 84 of 131                  Date: Tue 27/01/1998, 12:53 am
From: CRAGMAR                    Read: 15 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary II

Haven't seen Pet 2 but 1 was scary enough. The worst nightmares, movie
induced, I have suffered from were Nightmare on Elm Sreet, the first one,and
the first Friday the 13th. Real humdingers and ongoing nightmares to boot.
I believe the better one's imagination the more one suffers from nightmares.
The gore is relatively easy to stomach, the suspense is what gets me
reaching for the off button. When I was a nipper I saw Jaws and Grizzly at
the flicks. Jaws singlehandedly cured me from swimming in the sea,
completely.

I hate with a passion anyone who watches a scary movie with me and says:
`their only effects'. I know that, but there is a little boy inside me who
can't help thinking that OUT there is a psycho with my name running around
in his head.

.....shit...I'd better close the windows and lock the doors....

....ha cha cha wah wah ki ki (gulp)

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OCCULTMsg # 85 of 131                  Date: Fri 30/01/1998,  2:33 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 14 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary II

>So just wondering how many thousands of Kiwi's had a bad night's sleep just
>because they stayed up to watch some tacky B grade horror flick till late?.

I was fine :>  I was pretty queasy during the film because of the
cat/kittens.  What the hell does Stephen Kingdick have against cats?
They're always being killed off.  Bastard.

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OCCULTMsg # 86 of 131                  Date: Fri 30/01/1998,  2:34 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 14 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: CRAGMAR
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary II

>Haven't seen Pet 2 but 1 was scary enough. The worst nightmares, movie
>induced, I have suffered from were Nightmare on Elm Sreet, the first one,and
>the first Friday the 13th. Real humdingers and ongoing nightmares to boot.
>I believe the better one's imagination the more one suffers from nightmares.
>The gore is relatively easy to stomach, the suspense is what gets me
>reaching for the off button. When I was a nipper I saw Jaws and Grizzly at
>the flicks. Jaws singlehandedly cured me from swimming in the sea,
>completely.

I had trouble with The Entity.  I couldn't stand being in a bathroom for
years after seeing that film.  It still makes me shudder!

... And then there's the TV programs that screwed me around when I was a
kid... one was Dr Who when there were these shop dummies that came alive and
killed people (I still can't look at one of those without wondering), and a
small part in Logan's Run (I think) where the girl looks in a mirror, turns
around to go out of the bathroom, and the mirror image grabs a knife and
goes after her.  EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

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OCCULTMsg # 87 of 131                  Date: Fri 30/01/1998,  6:49 pm
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 13 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary II

>I had trouble with The Entity.  I couldn't stand being in a bathroom for
>years after seeing that film.  It still makes me shudder!
>
>... And then there's the TV programs that screwed me around when I was a
>kid... one was Dr Who when there were these shop dummies that came alive and
>killed people (I still can't look at one of those without wondering), and a
>small part in Logan's Run (I think) where the girl looks in a mirror, turns
>around to go out of the bathroom, and the mirror image grabs a knife and
>goes after her.  EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

There was a movie like that I saw many years ago. The guy, dressed in black
would appear in the mirror or form up out of a shadow. Very, very scary.

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OCCULTMsg # 88 of 131                  Date: Fri 30/01/1998,  6:15 pm
From: CRAGMAR                    Read: 15 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Look out. Behind You!

AI>... And then there's the TV programs that screwed me around when I
was a AI>kid... one was Dr Who when there were these shop dummies that
came alive and AI>killed people (I still can't look at one of those
without wondering), and a AI>small part in Logan's Run (I think) where
the girl looks in a mirror, turns AI>around to go out of the bathroom,
and the mirror image grabs a knife and AI>goes after her.
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Right on, Sister!
I had nightmares over an episode involving the Daleks. Remember those
Sunday night horrors? Hammer House of Horror. Most of them were dreck,
but occasionally one of them would have me checking under my bed or
opening my closet ready to throw a punch at some demon. I grew up living
not more than a hundred metres from the Akatarawa cemetery. Our house
was halfway up the bank leading to the plateau on which the graveyard
resides. I forget now how many nightmares I had involving earthquakes
and coffins crashing into my bedroom. My friends and I used to spend
hours playing up there.

One mate saw a programme on Tv about these Americans who had supposedly
recorded the voice of a graveyard Guardian. We are sitting around
talking about it, when the decision is made by one of the older guys, to
do it ourselves. Word was spread and about 10 of us, all living in the
same street, met on the corner at 11.45pm. We were inside the main gates
by 11.50pm, setting the tape recorder ontop of the oldest grave,
supposedly the one where the Guardian resides. All the usual boo's and
tapping of shoulders began. We quietened down and donned our respective
staunch aspects. As 12 0'clock arrived, John, the coolest member of the
group and resident sprinter par excellence, pressed the record button
and intoned "Guardian of the Graveyard, please speak to us".

By this time, there was enough blood pumping to have revived some of the
dead surrounding us. No-one made a sound nor moved a muscle, after all
our previous tomfoolery, we were taking it seriously.
Our adrenaline had really started flowing, when there was a crack from
one of the large hedges at the edge of the cemetery. For a split second,
no-one budged an inch, then it became a free-for-all.

To this day, I don't know how 10 blokes managed to get through the
cemetery's narrow side gate, all at the same time. For the first hundred
feet or so everyone was neck and neck, then John hit his straps with a
gear no-one else had. The rest of us reached the street corner roughly
about the same time. John was lying down rewinding the tape, breathing
normally, as cool as ever. Everyone tried to convince everyone else that
they had run with the pack just to see where it was going.

Postscript:Bloody Americans, we shouldn't have trusted them. Mind you,
this was in the days before Oprah, Ricki and Sally Jessie showed the
world just how mindless the American people really are.

You know, I miss those carefree days.

---
 þ SLMR 2.1a þ Scared. Who me? Honey, go outside, check out that noise.

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OCCULTMsg # 89 of 131                  Date: Fri 30/01/1998,  6:32 pm
From: CRAGMAR                    Read: 17 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Well done, Steve

AI>I was fine :>  I was pretty queasy during the film because of the
AI>cat/kittens.  What the hell does Stephen Kingdick have against cats?
AI>They're always being killed off.  Bastard.

Are you Egyptian, princess? Like to mummy the poor little dears?
Enjoy giving them milk, watching them lick their cheops?
---
 þ SLMR 2.1a þ How many roads must the ministry seal, before they run...

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OCCULTMsg # 90 of 131                  Date: Wed  4/02/1998,  7:11 pm
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 15 times

     To: RASPUTIN
Subject: Re: fit for sacrifice

>>>Perhaps, a Greek Goddess, with eyebrows a werewolf would kill for?
>>
>>Yes, she is a Goddess, Aim‚e: Goddess of Wine and Pizza.
>>We decided that last year,...or was it the year before.  I forget. :>
>
>I recommend regression therapy for past life hidden memory recall...

Now that's a scary thought! <shudder> Heck I can't even remember what I was
like in my previous life! I think I was more serious than I am now, and a
whole lot more silly too.

I have been Zosimos a lot longer than I had ever intended, thats for sure!
But Im kinda getting to like the guy, he's sooo.. err, flexible?  :>

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OCCULTMsg # 91 of 131                  Date: Mon  9/02/1998,  4:44 pm
From: SON OF C                   Read: 16 times

     To: All
Subject: Mr Crowley

A few years ago I went to the library in search of that old reprobate,
Alister Crowley. Ozzy Osbourne's song `Mr Crowley' had stimulated the
desire to find out more about this dabbler in the occult.

Well, well. I looked high, I gazed low, I meandered hither, fossicked
thither.

Old Alister had done a bunk, spirited himself away.

I asked for help from the Librarian, he cast the sign of the Evil Eye at
me. He remained long enough to inform me that all copies of Crowley
related material had been nicked. This intrigued me, to say the least.

I donned my seersucker hat and combed the second-hand bookstores.
Uretha!!
I located a small tome, hastened home at a brisk trot, quickly scrawled
a pentagram on the kitchen floor and began to read.

**years pass**

As I sit here trying to recall snippets of information about the man,
the only thing I can remember concerns his sexual peccadillos. Old Ali
was a pederast. I can probably guess where he kept the incense sticks.

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 þ SLMR 2.1a þ ..scritch, scritch....Daddy, I'm home

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OCCULTMsg # 92 of 131                  Date: Fri 24/04/1998, 11:56 pm
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 17 times

     To: HORUS
Subject: Re: Can you here me?

>Ho> You there, Elvis?
>
>XL>He's over at Buddies with Jimi playin drinking games..
>
>You seem to be almost spectral in your logons these days, XLNC.
>
>Next time you do, leave a list of, say, 5 dead famous people from
>anytime in history, that you would like to have a word with.

Ask Mussolini about Crete...
Ask Adam a few questions...
Ask the angel guarding Eden about the flaming sword...
Ask errr, God about those blasted trig identities, i'm sure they weren't
seriously supposed to tie in with nature, tech...
Ask Gurdjieff about Rasputin's best options...
Ask my grandparents about the war years, it turns out that they had many
fascinating stories of war involvement. My grandmum used to smuggle food
stamps and pretend to be pregnant, and my grandad and his brother got
through a nazi held border on one passport with a lot of skin-of-the-teeth
trickery, cause they nearly got thru, then got caught, and bluffed their way
out. My sis wants to make it into a play, as there's tons (tonnes) of true
life material to work with that's real interesting.
I'll post a bit if my sis sends a copy down. just a wee bit, as her
spellings atrocious.

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OCCULTMsg # 93 of 131                  Date: Fri 24/04/1998,  2:03 pm
From: HORUS                      Read: 20 times

     To: All
Subject: a theory

Touched: - not all there, playing without a full deck.
By: - a weekend off with no sport.
An: - Boleyn, Margaret, drew Lloyd Webber.
Angel: - mathematical mis-spelling.
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 þ SLMR 2.1a þ

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OCCULTMsg # 94 of 131                  Date: Thu 22/02/1996,  2:01 pm
From: HELLCAT                    Read: 56 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All                     Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: This subby

Welcome to my New Age area. &8#)

One day I'll have a smily that looks like a cat.

This area is for talk about New Age stuff.  Critics are advised to stay
away, or at least strongly advised NOT TO POST IN HERE!

We all have different belief systems and New Age is mine.  Respect my
beliefs and I will respect yours.

[SysOp Online]
I can set an access level for this subboard if you wanna throw anyone out
that's annoying ya :>Cool!
[SysOp Offline]

This is the area for posting all that stuff about Crystals, Tarot Cards,
Guides, Manifesting, Healing etc.  All the stuff that people look funny at
you for mentioning.  I could even try reading your tarot long-distance in
here, if that would make it more fun!

Pluck up your courage and post in here if you dare! If someone posts
negatively in here I'll get the sysop to stop their access to this area.

It's the New Wave!  Come on and join it!

=Meow=

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OCCULTMsg # 95 of 131                  Date: Sat 24/02/1996,  3:52 pm
From: BJ THE HUN                 Read: 43 times

     To: HELLCAT                 Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: This subby

>This is the area for posting all that stuff about Crystals, Tarot Cards,
>Guides, Manifesting, Healing etc.  All the stuff that people look funny at
>you for mentioning.  I could even try reading your tarot long-distance in
>here, if that would make it more fun!

Cool. :> I LIKE LIKE LIKE THIS. :>

We know who will be interested in this don't we? :>

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OCCULTMsg # 96 of 131                  Date: Mon 26/02/1996,  5:40 pm
From: HELLCAT                    Read: 44 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Runes

Runes are an ancient form of writing that appeared about the first century
AD. They were used by Nordic peoples right across Europe, from Ireland to
the Ukraine. Runes can still be seen on surviving carvings and artifacts,
usually of stone, wood being far less durable.

Because they were originally cut or incised there are no curves to the
letters. Similarly any horizontal lines would have become lost in the grain
of a wood surface. Variations of letters and alphabets exist depending on
the era and location of use; some have 16 letters, some over 30. One set,
FUTHARK was the most common of that time. It is known by the sound of the
first six runes (Feoh, Ur, Thorn, Os, Rad (or Rit), and Ken (or Kaon). This
set has 24 letters plus one blank.

Runes were carved on monuments and tombstones citing magic or superstition
to deter graverobbers.  Fortune tellers used incised objects in their
divinations. The actual methods of divination used by the ancients are no
longer know, but investigation into the art gives us a rough idea.

I could draw each rune for you but it would take me forever! If anyone is
interested in runes I can take this further for you.
Reply
#7
OCCULTMsg # 97 of 131                  Date: Sun 29/09/1996, 12:18 am

From: AIMEE                      Read: 45 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All                     Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: To a friend :>:>:>


                          Taking Responsibility
                          =====================


              After a while you learn the subtle difference
                   between holding a hand and chaining a
                 soul... and you lern that love doesn't
                     mean leaning and company doesn't
                     mean security.. and you begin to learn
                 that kisses aren't contracts and presents
                     aren't promises... and you begin to
                  accept your defeats with your head up
                    and your eyes open, with the grace
               of a man or woman, not the grief of a child,
                 and learn to build all your roads on today
           because tomorrow's ground is too uncertain for plans,
           and futures have a way of falling down in mid-flight.

                 After while you learn that even sunsine
        burns if you get too much... so you plant your own garden
             and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting
             for someone to bring you flowers.  And you learn
         that you really can endure.  That you really are strong
             and you really do have worth.  And you learn...
            and you learn... with every goodbye... you learn.



Anon.

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OCCULTMsg # 98 of 131                  Date: Sun 29/09/1996, 10:50 am
From: WITCH WON                  Read: 45 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: To a friend :>:>:>


   I'm in tears Aimee.


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OCCULTMsg # 99 of 131                  Date: Mon 30/09/1996, 10:53 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 43 times

     To: WITCH WON               Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: To a friend :>:>:>

>
>   I'm in tears Aimee.

Thought you would be :>

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OCCULTMsg # 100 of 131                 Date: Sun 29/09/1996, 10:57 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 42 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Another from the NE booklet :>



     "Picture your aspiration as a Hut at the end of a long journey;
  Now imagine that the pathway to the Hut is rather rocky and slippery.
        Needing attention - weeding, planting, sunshine and rain.

                     Keeping the Hut firmly in view,
        begin to clear the path of the obstructions along the way.
            Plant with vigour and loving attention to detail.
      You can work long and hard, dedicating yourself to your task.
       Or you can take your time and enjoy the view along the way.
                          It is all your choice.

               So long as you are aware of your aspiration
         So long as you are aware of the work needed to get there
                            You will arrive."


Bhuso.

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OCCULTMsg # 101 of 131                 Date: Mon 16/12/1996,  9:38 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 30 times  [1 Reply]

     To: RASPUTIN                Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: ...

>Yeah, it's called Kirlian photography and it's really quite old.
>There are many methods of photographing aura's now.
>Aura's are just an electromagnetic field around the human body.
>I forgot the frequency range (I had it written down somewhere) but it's not
>thermal radiation, because that's a lower frequency range.
>All living biological things have an electromagnetic field around them,
>because radiation doesn't just stop, like the heat from a heater radiates in
>a field around it.

Got it in one.

Funnily enough, the New Age community don't go for it... Main reason is that
if you want to find out about your aura you'd have to take a photo every 5
seconds while going through the gamut of all the emotions you have :>

While it's a very quaint thing to do, it has no use whatsoever apart from
the novelty value :>

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OCCULTMsg # 102 of 131                 Date: Mon 16/12/1996,  7:31 pm
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 30 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Auras

>>Yeah, it's called Kirlian photography and it's really quite old.
>>Aura's are just an electromagnetic field around the human body.
>>All living biological things have an electromagnetic field around them,
>>because radiation doesn't just stop, like the heat from a heater radiates i
>>a field around it.
>
>Got it in one.
>
>Funnily enough, the New Age community don't go for it... Main reason is that
>if you want to find out about your aura you'd have to take a photo every 5
>seconds while going through the gamut of all the emotions you have :>
>
>While it's a very quaint thing to do, it has no use whatsoever apart from
>the novelty value :>

Cool!! I thought that it was too good to be true Smile
If someone had just said that it was Kirlian photography then I could have
told them that the yellow spots were not spirit guides, I did'nt want to
make the person feel uncomfortable but I knew that it could'nt be a spirit
on film. Hey this is cool! most people I talk to about this stuff think Im
nuts!  Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 103 of 131                 Date: Tue 17/12/1996, 10:42 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 29 times

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: Auras

>Cool!! I thought that it was too good to be true Smile
>If someone had just said that it was Kirlian photography then I could have
>told them that the yellow spots were not spirit guides, I did'nt want to
>make the person feel uncomfortable but I knew that it could'nt be a spirit
>on film. Hey this is cool! most people I talk to about this stuff think Im
>nuts!  Smile

This is the NewAge subby... if someone disses someone on a topic, then they
get their message thrown out :>

Belief in others should be respected, even if you don't agree with them.
They have nothing to lose from believing something (unless it's that their
dog speaks to them inside their heads, and orders them to kill the
neighbours ;>)

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OCCULTMsg # 104 of 131                 Date: Wed 25/12/1996,  7:07 pm
From: DEATH                      Read: 32 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Imagination

Sometimes, people look upto the sky, searching for shapes in the clouds,
some people see silhouettes, others see threedimensional figures. But
how mof yihs actually look at the clouds (or paintings, the world around
them) and can imagine interacting with the figure that is cloud or imagine
flying down a street seeing all the houses in vivid detail or can see
themselves stepping through the paint of a painting in the picture and
feeling grass a their feet wind blowing on their face?

Thoughts?

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OCCULTMsg # 105 of 131                 Date: Sun 16/02/1997, 12:15 pm
From: THING                      Read: 37 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All                     Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: SETH

Hey; does anyone here get into the SETH books, which are channelled by Jane
Roberts. If so: what do you think of them?

For those who don't have a clue of  the whos/whats/whys of SETH: he's kinda
a spirit guide who channels books all about this bizarre philosphy. Anyway,
they're well worth reading.

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OCCULTMsg # 106 of 131                 Date: Sun 16/02/1997,  3:18 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 38 times

     To: THING                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: SETH

>Hey; does anyone here get into the SETH books, which are channelled by Jane
>Roberts. If so: what do you think of them?

I've thought about reading them every time I go past a new age shop that has
books in them...

One day I'll remember to have money at the same time ;>

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OCCULTMsg # 107 of 131                 Date: Mon 13/10/1997,  1:45 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 22 times  [4 Retorts]

     To: All                     Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: About:  WEIRD cat!

Here's something for the 'it *must* be a coincidence' file.

As you all know, Bitzen is heavily pregnant.  Bitzen's my cat, so don't
start worrying. (Although, one person this week has said that he had no idea
I was female... hehehehehe)

Bit was due on Friday (Thursday, I thought), and judging by the books I've
read, 62 days is usually the norm, and I'd done my maths correctly :>

She's sleeping on the chair looking to all intents and purposes like a
normal cat boiling quietly.  It's weird watching the mugwais moving around
inside 'er... it looks *exactly* like the cat is boiling :>  heeehehehe And
we're both bloody waiting, and exhausted.

I've got a waterbed, and there's a patch behind the headboard where a
naughty cat can get in, have kittens and flip the heater on, which I forgot
to disable.  Bit knows this, and uses my paranoia to play a good game of
chase the cat.  She also has decided that the *inside* of my chair is a
bloody nice place to drop a few kittens.  No way!  I've been watching her
like a hawk since last Wednesday, just in case.  I'm getting sick of
waiting, and so is she.  (Weird to think of him as a her after all this time
:>)  (DETH you bastard!  You gave me the wrong sex cat!, but that's another
story.)  We're also fragged off because I had to close off the cat door
because the 'raper of the bride' (A HUGE beautiful black fluffy bastard of
a bastard) <wow, another bracket!  wooo... the kittens are going to be SOOO
CUTE!> keeps trying to force himself inside.  I've found out why.  If he
can kill the kittens immediately, then Bit goes straight into heat again.
Bastard! So he's locked out, and Bit, unfortunately (for the smell of the
litterbox) is stuck inside.  Damn!

Anyways, on to the weird thing.  I often hear statements and things, I treat
it as a part of life.  Ask the question yourself... 'is it going to rain?'
you get an instant reply from your mind, yes or no.  It's a whispy voice
that could be you, could be *not* you.  I ask deeper questions :>  'is *name
deleted* going to die from this heart attack' (actually, was a friends
father and I've forgotten the name, but not about to admit that), and get
the answer as a definate No!  You can't dismiss answers like this if it
doesn't lead you astray.  It's only your own doubt that can screw you up.
I've always relied on this voice, and strangely enough, held complete
conversions with it, and had it *verified* with a reliable source!  I found
out by yakking with it (not going to mention the name of the person I
sometimes yakk to, as, well... it's not the sort of thing for polite
conversation) I found out (I'd forgotten my place) ahem.. I found out a few
hours before that a friend was going to die, and it's the first person I've
known to die on me.  I used to be proud of the fact, and thought my friends
'safe' because of it.. but the conversation went the way of (okok.. suspend
your disbelief.) 'are you prepared to have someone you know well die on
you?'  I swear, those are the exact words.  I had to think for a long time
before replying 'yeah... I can handle it now.' (not the exact words.  It
took about half an hour to come to that conclusion. And lo and behold, a
friend died a few hours after. 8(((((( Anyways.. that's nothing to do with
the story, but gives you an indication on how seriously I take my internal
conversations.

Well.. I was glaring at the cat, and asked (ok.. I admit it... I talk to
everything.  Animate or inanimate. Often I talk to myself coz I like my own
voice.)  I asked if it was going to happen soon, and got the reply 'Monday.'

That happened on Friday afternoon.  I thought 'Bollocks.  Cats last for only
62 days on average, and it's going to be today or Saturday.'  So I didn't go
to the pub.  I needed stuff.  I planned to go on Saturday after the
explosion, and nothing happened.  Hmmm... Monday?  It's Sunday today, the
cat is ready to squirt a sucker out every time she jumps onto the floor, and
still nothing.  Monday.

So is it just a coincidence?  There's *still* no Bitzen Pieces (*laugh*)
anywhere, and I *really* have to go to the PO Box for the donations (yes,
there are some!  Wooohoo!), and catfood, camera film and birthday prezzies.
*sigh*.

Does anyone else rely on their (as Magnum PI calls it) 'little voices'?  I
hope like hell I'm not the only one!  Tell all.  If anyone laughs about it
or makes a joke about it (yes, I mean YOU) I'll throw 'em into the corner
for 2 days.  This is serious stuff for those of us that believe.  If you
don't believe, unjoin this subby.

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OCCULTMsg # 108 of 131                 Date: Mon 13/10/1997, 11:26 pm
From: XLNC                       Read: 19 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>So is it just a coincidence?  There's *still* no Bitzen Pieces (*laugh*)
>anywhere, and I *really* have to go to the PO Box for the donations (yes,
>there are some!  Wooohoo!), and catfood, camera film and birthday prezzies.
>*sigh*.
Still a half hour to go... A watched pot never boils..    d8)

>Does anyone else rely on their (as Magnum PI calls it) 'little voices'?  I
>hope like hell I'm not the only one!  Tell all.  If anyone laughs about it
>or makes a joke about it (yes, I mean YOU) I'll throw 'em into the corner
>for 2 days.  This is serious stuff for those of us that believe.  If you
>don't believe, unjoin this subby.
I cant rely on my little voice, The quick suggestions when Im about
to do somthing, and realise theres been a nagging voice saying,
"No Geoff, I think not..." are fairly accurate, I feel uncomfortable about
somthing and hold off... But then another side to the voice takes over and
keeps me up long into the morning, telling me lies trying to get me to
change my gut feeling. Welcome the little black Depression beast.
I usually kill em off with a good dose of Addrenalyn but there are times
when the 2 voices are hard 2 tell apart. If it "I" try to convince myself
into somthing too long then I usually spot which one it iz.
Ahh the tricks the Minds eye plays

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OCCULTMsg # 109 of 131                 Date: Wed 15/10/1997,  1:26 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 16 times  [1 Reply]

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>>So is it just a coincidence?  There's *still* no Bitzen Pieces (*laugh*)
>>anywhere, and I *really* have to go to the PO Box for the donations (yes,
>>there are some!  Wooohoo!), and catfood, camera film and birthday prezzies.
>>*sigh*.
>Still a half hour to go... A watched pot never boils..    d8)

Still no sign.  I'm beginning to think it's going to be *next* monday
instead. 8-7

>I cant rely on my little voice, The quick suggestions when Im about
>to do somthing, and realise theres been a nagging voice saying,

That's another voice altogether.. that's the 'voice of reason' :>  It's the
one that says to you 'you're going to be killed if you carry on this way!'

I'm talking about a different one.  It's like talking to another person
in your mind.  I often talk out my problems this way, or philosophical
discussions that usually end with a bit of a mind-blow :>

I used to have 4 way discussions with a someone ages ago, with just the two
of us, but it was like being in a crowded room.  I still remember sitting
there with him and saying "Just who the hell is (name)?  Why do I keep
getting this damned name?" only to see him go chawky white and mumble that
she was sitting right next to him on the couch, and had been around him for
years :>

He still shudders whenever I mention her :>  hehehehehe

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OCCULTMsg # 110 of 131                 Date: Wed 15/10/1997, 11:50 pm
From: XLNC                       Read: 18 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>>I cant rely on my little voice, The quick suggestions when Im about
>>to do somthing, and realise theres been a nagging voice saying,

>That's another voice altogether.. that's the 'voice of reason' :>  It's the
>one that says to you 'you're going to be killed if you carry on this way!'

No, I have that one az well... This one is Me, but its a completely
different me. Its a Naieve Gutless scared one that talks so loud I cant
hear anything other than it. (I mean people have to shout to get me to
realise theres somone else talking, I just shut off and sometimes get into
an argument with myself trying to covince "Me" what I think is all wrong!.
then Im just a scared person hiding in a stupid persons body anyway q8)

This happened when U read the cards for me, and stopped me from askin u
to go on about the "One thing you need to change but wont"
there are 3 things this involves, 1 is the voice, the other 2 are symptoms
of the voice....
Remember the dream u had of going to My place, knocking on the door but
somone else answered, U decided Y bother?...
Interesting dream... more n more...

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OCCULTMsg # 111 of 131                 Date: Thu 16/10/1997, 12:52 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 15 times  [1 Reply]

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>>That's another voice altogether.. that's the 'voice of reason' :>  It's the
>>one that says to you 'you're going to be killed if you carry on this way!'
>No, I have that one az well... This one is Me, but its a completely
>different me. Its a Naieve Gutless scared one that talks so loud I cant
>hear anything other than it. (I mean people have to shout to get me to
>realise theres somone else talking, I just shut off and sometimes get into
>an argument with myself trying to covince "Me" what I think is all wrong!.
>then Im just a scared person hiding in a stupid persons body anyway q8)

I have that as well.  If I've let go and enjoyed myself, I always know that
I'm bloody cd stopped... I'm going to be clouted on my head that night and
probably for the next 3 days by that little voice (little?  like hell) that
says 'you've been stupid. you're going to regret this for the rest of your
life.'  It goes on, and on, and on, until I can say to myself honestly
"Stuff it.  I enjoyed myself, I was Me."  I can't often say that, so I get
hounded until I forget about and can hear the normal babble:>

>This happened when U read the cards for me, and stopped me from askin u
>to go on about the "One thing you need to change but wont"
>there are 3 things this involves, 1 is the voice, the other 2 are symptoms
>of the voice....

If you needed to ask that question, I probably would have noticed, but you
already knew, so it was a moot point :>  Me pointing it out to you would
have just confirmed it, and you didn't want that.

>Remember the dream u had of going to My place, knocking on the door but
>somone else answered, U decided Y bother?...
>Interesting dream... more n more...

I never had that dream.  At least... I don't remember it... elaborate?

There's a HELL OF A LOT of things that go on with me. I can't keep up with
it all, so I don't like to have other people around me.  I prefer not to
Force that part of myself onto other people, as a sign of respect.  It's why
I don't flat with others, why I deal with people over the modem, why I don't
have children, and why I hibernate.  I never lose myself though, which is a
good thing.  I am one of the few people that can say that they like
themselves.

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OCCULTMsg # 112 of 131                 Date: Tue 14/10/1997,  8:20 pm
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 13 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!


>Does anyone else rely on their (as Magnum PI calls it) 'little voices'?  I
>hope like hell I'm not the only one!  Tell all.  If anyone laughs about it
>or makes a joke about it (yes, I mean YOU) I'll throw 'em into the corner
>for 2 days.  This is serious stuff for those of us that believe.  If you
>don't believe, unjoin this subby.

I rely on my intuition in much the same way I rely on my sense of sight,
smell, touch or hearing. I just take it for granted.
I too get a sudden "sure knowledge" of something before it happens.
I have known in advance when people were about to die, and can often tell by
just meeting them and getting a sure impression.

Its a bit like seeing someone and knowing that they are pregnant by the way
the look (radiant etc). This is an observation of the eyes.
The same goes for other things that are not quite so tangible.
I can meet someone and tell straight away that they are "bad" people (or
what-ever you want to call it).

When I met my girlfriend's new flatmate for the first time six months ago, I
told my g/friend that she was going to have trouble with that one.
She berated me for making judgements and being arrogant. Today we spent 2
hours in court battling to defend her good name against a compulsive liar.
You guessed it! her ex-flatmate.

I feel that I have the ability to be empathic (?) but I need to focus more
and stop trying to second guess myself.
Often I will get a feeling about the way someone feels about something and
realise that it is at odds with what I would be thinking.
The best example of this would be during an argument with my partner.
I will tell them what I believe they are thinking ie" you dont want to be
with me but are afraid of being alone"(or whatever) and she will deny it.

But later after things have settled down, she has confided to me that I have
hit the nail on the head so often that she calls it 100% intuition.
She now asks me to make judgement calls that are critical.

After reading this back, I realise that I have given the impression that Im
allways right, this is not so. I need to work at this gift and learn to use
it as backstop, a guide more than a definate thing perhaps.


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OCCULTMsg # 113 of 131                 Date: Wed 15/10/1997,  1:31 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 14 times  [3 Retorts]

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>Its a bit like seeing someone and knowing that they are pregnant by the way
>the look (radiant etc). This is an observation of the eyes.

Yuppers.. I have that... I can tell even before they know themselves!  It's
a little bigger than that though ;>  I can also tell them the sex of the
child.  I used to make bets on it when I was a kid, and people would come to
me to work out what they were going to put their money on.  I couldn't work
out my mothers child when she was preggers in '83 when she asked, and 2
days later she miscarried.  Weird!

>I feel that I have the ability to be empathic (?) but I need to focus more
>and stop trying to second guess myself.

I've been trying to get rid of the empathy.  Sometimes it can be so
overwhelming that I have to leave a room, or sit around reading books until
it passes.  Often I have to disappear for a week or so to become stable
again.

It's a bitch being empathic (everyone has the potential for it) in this day
and age.  I can be walking down the street, see someone's face and feel such
sadness that it obliterates me for days.  I always put myself in a good
frame of mind before going out, there's sooo many 'gray people' out there,
and it's not good to have it rub off.

You also end up with strange people hanging around you because they feel
like you know them, but they're always around to be cheered up, and after a
while you notice that they give nothing back for it, but just suck out your
good energy.  There's an interesting book on this, the 'Celestine Prophesy'.
It's got a wanky ending, but the theories are rock solid.  Well worth a read
if you're thinking of 'upgrading' your empathy :>
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OCCULTMsg # 114 of 131                 Date: Wed 15/10/1997,  6:21 pm

From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 17 times  [3 Retorts]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>I've been trying to get rid of the empathy.  Sometimes it can be so
>overwhelming that I have to leave a room, or sit around reading books until
>it passes.  Often I have to disappear for a week or so to become stable
>again.

I can put myself into the "shoes" of someone that has been illtreated,
especially children and It really knocks me for days.
Sometimes I will be thinking about someone that I have known that has died
and I become overwelmed with their emotions as they passed away, a terrible
concoction of fear, resolve and sadness in most cases. It has caused me to
break into tears in the middle of the day on more than one ocassion.

>
>I've been trying to get rid of the empathy.  Sometimes it can be so
>overwhelming that I have to leave a room, or sit around reading books until
>it passes.  Often I have to disappear for a week or so to become stable
>again.

I have been afflicted this way too, If I read a newspaper story about a
murder or whatever I usually just think "Oh yeah another murder bla bla"
but every once in a while it will hit me very hard, and I find myself rocked
to the core by events that have no concern with me. I find myself in the
role of the victim, and waves of different emotions wash over me.

>You also end up with strange people hanging around you because they feel
>like you know them, but they're always around to be cheered up, and after a
>while you notice that they give nothing back for it, but just suck out your
>good energy.  There's an interesting book on this, the 'Celestine Prophesy'.
>It's got a wanky ending, but the theories are rock solid.  Well worth a read
>if you're thinking of 'upgrading' your empathy :>

I'll dig it out, I've heard of it before. (book)
One thing is for sure, I send you heaps of positive energy, everytime I read
one of your scribbles, I connect. I think its a good thing to tell people
that lifes a bitch (or what-ever) the more positive energy that is sent back
the better.
As for the grey people, yeah I too get dragged down. I think the best
outlook is to be happy, even if you have to pretend, the result is much the
same. It will all flow back to you. I guess its pro-active self healing in a
way.

I figure that there is only one thing that matters in life and thats
happiness. Without it what is life worth?
I dont want to be wealthy, I want to be happy, If I strive to make my life
as comfortable as I can, then from one flows the other.





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OCCULTMsg # 115 of 131                 Date: Thu 16/10/1997,  9:59 am
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 15 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>>I feel that I have the ability to be empathic (?) but I need to focus more
>>and stop trying to second guess myself.
>
>I've been trying to get rid of the empathy.  Sometimes it can be so
>overwhelming that I have to leave a room, or sit around reading books until
>it passes.  Often I have to disappear for a week or so to become stable
>again.

<humour on>
Imagine getting pissed by being around pissed ppl. It would save money, and
possibly health...
<seriously>
I find that I can be the only person at a party not drinking, yet still act
& look like I'm the most pissed one there. Mind you, that's because my child
within is so strong, I reckon Smile

>It's a bitch being empathic (everyone has the potential for it) in this day
>and age.  I can be walking down the street, see someone's face and feel such
>sadness that it obliterates me for days.  I always put myself in a good

<PoD mode on, everyone else ignore the following...>
Cheer yourself up by killing them on the spot, so they're no longer sad.
<PoD mode off>

>frame of mind before going out, there's sooo many 'gray people' out there,
>and it's not good to have it rub off.

<seriously>
As I'm maturing and caring more for my influence on those around me, I do
try more often (though still not often enough) to be mellow, in the same way
that I do believe the saying that a smile's not a smile 'till it's given
away.  Last night I was told several times how relaxed my attitude was, and
I was asked how I reduced my tension. To me it's a deliberate mindset, an
attitude which I encourage in myself for my (and others) benefit.

>You also end up with strange people hanging around you because they feel
>like you know them, but they're always around to be cheered up, and after a
>while you notice that they give nothing back for it, but just suck out your

Yeah, how true! But with practice you can certainly control your energy
flows, encouraging or inhibiting your energies, and with more practice,
others energies. I really feel that learning to control enrgies is
worthwhile for those who are quite sensitive to them.

As to my definition of energy, it applies in a broad sense.
Physical energy would possibly be at a basic level that we all can relate
to, and emotional would also apply here too.
Generally I (speaking for myself) also use the term in the sense of what
others have termed life-force, or chi (as practiced in Qi-Gong, and possibly
even Tai-Chi, depending on your level...).
I accept there are many sceptics who don't believe in Chi, or choose to
rationalisation away why others believe in it, and I've found that these
people generally do this because they are confusing one meaning of Chi with
a definition they've read in some ignorant piece of trashy literature, or
they refuse to believe what they haven't already proven to themselves (these
are the people who make science their RELIGION, and are not very aware or
empathic people, in my opinion.). There, I've said my piece.

>good energy.  There's an interesting book on this, the 'Celestine Prophesy'.
>It's got a wanky ending, but the theories are rock solid.  Well worth a read
>if you're thinking of 'upgrading' your empathy :>

S'funny, a girl I met, and found her views real interesting, recommended
I read that very same book. Do you think others that have read it would
recommend it too? (sorry, not taking the mickey, just can't help a burst of
'humour' Smile
She said she'd loan me the book, but that was before she decided not to know
me anymore (or so I think...) so do you have the book for me to borrow?

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OCCULTMsg # 116 of 131                 Date: Thu 16/10/1997, 12:40 am
From: AIMEE                      Read: 17 times

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

Some of you may have noticed a new messaging style from me.  This isn't
entirely due to the alcohol ;>  I now reply, *then* read.  Enjoy while it
lasts. I'll probably go into hibernation again soon. ;>  Donations of wine
gladly accepted. Unless sweet.


>I can put myself into the "shoes" of someone that has been illtreated,
>especially children and It really knocks me for days.
>Sometimes I will be thinking about someone that I have known that has died
>and I become overwelmed with their emotions as they passed away, a terrible
>concoction of fear, resolve and sadness in most cases. It has caused me to
>break into tears in the middle of the day on more than one ocassion.

I cry every time I think of Little Eve van Graphorst(?).  Nuff said.

I don't watch tv with people often, and always have to leave the room when
one of those 'drink driving' adverts comes onto telly.  I know that it's
acting, and I still remember countering this kind of thing when I was a kid,
when watching horror films by imagining all the stage hands and producers
and lights and cameras etc, and force a distance so I didn't get upset, but
now it's like I don't have that release.  I cry at the most stupid things,
and I always feel really really dumb.  I talked to my father last month
about the music part of it (I never had anything in common with him till we
found out we were both colourblind, then it was all go :>), I found out that
we have *exactly* the same music tastes, and we both burst into tears at a
creshendo, or if we know what the opera is about.  Very embarrassing in
public.

>I have been afflicted this way too, If I read a newspaper story about a
>murder or whatever I usually just think "Oh yeah another murder bla bla"
>but every once in a while it will hit me very hard, and I find myself rocked
>to the core by events that have no concern with me. I find myself in the
>role of the victim, and waves of different emotions wash over me.

I almost have the opposite effect.  If I see someone's life on tv, then yes,
it gets me right in the solar plexis, but if I think about where they are
now, it's like a great relief, and I can almost (and sometimes do, if I know
them enough) talk to them to find out the *reason* that they died as they
did.

>One thing is for sure, I send you heaps of positive energy, everytime I read
>one of your scribbles, I connect. I think its a good thing to tell people
>that lifes a bitch (or what-ever) the more positive energy that is sent back
>the better.
>As for the grey people, yeah I too get dragged down. I think the best
>outlook is to be happy, even if you have to pretend, the result is much the
>same. It will all flow back to you. I guess its pro-active self healing in a
>way.

Yeah... but others notice that.  I often have street kids and other people
talking to me in depth, like they've known them for years, and the funny
thing is that I feel like I know them as well, and we often solve a (only
way to describe it) philosphical thing for them.  But they don't let it go
at that.  I noticed about 6 months ago (don't quote me on the time or the
circumstance) that the friends I had around me leeched a lot of my energy
from me, then got really pissed off if I was too exhausted to continue with
the contact.  I give a lot with friends, to the point that I know that
dealing with them further is to my detriment, so I go into hibernation.

My most dearest friends know this, and take it well when I critisise them
about the way they're acting.  Maybe they can see the stress in my face.  If
I'm stressed out, my skin breaks out alarmingly, and it takes *months* to
get back to a level plateau.

>I figure that there is only one thing that matters in life and thats
>happiness. Without it what is life worth?
>I dont want to be wealthy, I want to be happy, If I strive to make my life
>as comfortable as I can, then from one flows the other.

Happiness isn't everything :> Excitement (even bad) can be a good thing :>

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OCCULTMsg # 117 of 131                 Date: Thu 16/10/1997, 10:28 am
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 14 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>>good energy.  There's an interesting book on this, the 'Celestine Prophesy'
>>It's got a wanky ending, but the theories are rock solid.  Well worth a rea
>>if you're thinking of 'upgrading' your empathy :>
>
>I'll dig it out, I've heard of it before. (book)

Hehe, maybe I'll borrow it off you then...

>One thing is for sure, I send you heaps of positive energy, everytime I read
>one of your scribbles, I connect. I think its a good thing to tell people
>that lifes a bitch (or what-ever) the more positive energy that is sent back
>the better.

Wwe're all so quick to criticize, but positive reinforcement of what's
good, wholesome and desirable, while disregarding (to an extent!) that which
is not so uplifting, is a better way to go, IMO. Well, it worked on Deanna,
she's living proof of the results of this belief in practice, so I'm
convinced Smile (not that I'm the only one to do this, of course Smile

>As for the grey people, yeah I too get dragged down. I think the best

I'm impervious to grey, to life suckers. I used to be really drained by
them, I focused my whole being on being the helper and the healer, but it
was draining me, what with helping many depressed people, agonizing over
their threats to recklessly place themselves in emotionally and physically
harmful situations, and the drunks that nearly died of alcohol poisoning,
and the suicide attempts, and generally wanton negative behaviour that cuts
the air... but we've all seen/exprerienced this at some stage. Luckily for
me parafter a particular event in my life, I began to develop ways of
controlling incoming and outgoing energy, and now that I've done some hard
physical exercise in controlling my life force (similar to Qi-Gong), I'm so
much more empowered, and so much better off for it <huge satisfied smile
:>

>outlook is to be happy, even if you have to pretend, the result is much the
>same. It will all flow back to you. I guess its pro-active self healing in a
>way.

Except for the 'orrible shop assistant's fake "have a nice day"
(sometimes they mean it tho) I agree! A happy mood will generally show in
the face, and a forced smile will, conversely, often have a positive effect
on mood, as will happy people, good news, riding a motorbike, winning
Lotto...

>I figure that there is only one thing that matters in life and thats
>happiness. Without it what is life worth?
>I dont want to be wealthy, I want to be happy, If I strive to make my life
>as comfortable as I can, then from one flows the other.

Agreed, and unfortunately the world is full of temptations of saccharin
happiness, that isn't quite fulfilling, or is downright toxic.
Some say: Happiness is a warm gun (Ras starts dreaming happily...),
Others know the truth, true happiness is found in high speed cornering on a
fast jap bike!!!!!, oh, and of course children, fulfilling relationship,
being alone surrounded by nature, being of constructive support to others we
share this planet and existance with, (and a few controversial items...) all
in no particular order (except the fast bike comes first Smile

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OCCULTMsg # 118 of 131                 Date: Sat 18/10/1997,  4:48 pm
From: HALO                       Read: 17 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>>I've been trying to get rid of the empathy.  Sometimes it can be so
>>overwhelming that I have to leave a room, or sit around reading books until
>>it passes.  Often I have to disappear for a week or so to become stable
>>again.
>
>I can put myself into the "shoes" of someone that has been illtreated,
>especially children and It really knocks me for days.
>Sometimes I will be thinking about someone that I have known that has died
>and I become overwelmed with their emotions as they passed away, a terrible
>concoction of fear, resolve and sadness in most cases. It has caused me to
>break into tears in the middle of the day on more than one ocassion.

Did you see "Heavenly Creatures" on tv the other night?  I'd seen it
before, but this time I was by myself, and the opening scene hit me so hard
I started crying.  Not just tears, but my whole body was sobbing.  It was
like all of a sudden I was hit by the full emotion of Pauline and Juliette
after they had killed Pauline's mother.  I cried through most of the film,
and actually had to leave the house for a bit because it got to be too much.
It's a true story, and the movie is so real.  It hit me really hard.

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OCCULTMsg # 119 of 131                 Date: Sun 19/10/1997,  6:18 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 19 times

     To: HALO                    Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>Did you see "Heavenly Creatures" on tv the other night?  I'd seen it
>before, but this time I was by myself, and the opening scene hit me so hard
>I started crying.  Not just tears, but my whole body was sobbing.  It was
>like all of a sudden I was hit by the full emotion of Pauline and Juliette
>after they had killed Pauline's mother.  I cried through most of the film,
>and actually had to leave the house for a bit because it got to be too much.
>It's a true story, and the movie is so real.  It hit me really hard.

I thought it'd hit me hard too, but was surprised when it didn't.  I'd had
the foresight to read a book on murderers which had them in it, so I was
more interested in the story than really into it.

But Once Were Warriors had me screwed around with for weeks!  I'm bloody
glad I didn't see it at a movie theatre.  I wouldn't have been able to leave
the seat for a while.

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OCCULTMsg # 120 of 131                 Date: Thu 16/10/1997,  6:54 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 19 times

     To: RASPUTIN                Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>the air... but we've all seen/exprerienced this at some stage. Luckily for
>me parafter a particular event in my life, I began to develop ways of
>controlling incoming and outgoing energy, and now that I've done some hard
>physical exercise in controlling my life force (similar to Qi-Gong), I'm so
>much more empowered, and so much better off for it <huge satisfied smile
>:>

Maybe if we form more of a closeknit newage subby group we can all get
together and you can teach it to us :>

>>I figure that there is only one thing that matters in life and thats
>>happiness. Without it what is life worth?
>>I dont want to be wealthy, I want to be happy, If I strive to make my life
>>as comfortable as I can, then from one flows the other.

I have the same views.  I had a massive arguement with my family when I was
in AK last, about them being disappointed in my life (They live off the
family name for perks, which I find deplorable), and I had to spell it out
that my life in Wgtn was happier than theirs could ever be.  I don't have
the responsibilities they have, nor the money, but I find that more
liberating.  They probably still don't understand.

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OCCULTMsg # 121 of 131                 Date: Wed 15/10/1997, 12:03 pm
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 17 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>:>)  (DETH you bastard!  You gave me the wrong sex cat!, but that's another

Hahaha :>

>So is it just a coincidence?  There's *still* no Bitzen Pieces (*laugh*)

Well, you knew Bitzen'd be late, that's for sure.

>anywhere, and I *really* have to go to the PO Box for the donations (yes,
>there are some!  Wooohoo!), and catfood, camera film and birthday prezzies.
>*sigh*.

The longer you wait, the bigger the risk...

>Does anyone else rely on their (as Magnum PI calls it) 'little voices'?  I
>hope like hell I'm not the only one!  Tell all.  If anyone laughs about it

I just call it instinct. And yes, even though for me it's more a feeling
than a voice, I do feel it comes from deeper within, and is often covered or
biased by my 'outer layers' (the learned/rationalising layers around my
inner core).  A similar principle of not letting first instinct be ruined by
calculation, is when I line up in pool, and feel it's spot on, then I look
again, decide to 'correct' slightly, and almost EVERY* time, it's this
correction to my original instinct that makes me blow the shot. This only
applies to my instinctive shots, as most of them start off as calculated
ones anyway. The moral for me in pool is: if it feels right, play that angle
without analysing it, as it's probably the only chance I have at sinking a
ball (besides a fluke), as my calculated sahots don't seem to go very near
the pockets Smile
Anyway, asides from the pool analogy, as I'm slowly (hopefully :>
maturing, I find I go by feel more, and less by analysis.  I feel that
society suppresses inner instincts. Sometimes a learned response is best,
and sometimes the first inner instinct is best, it's up to us to choose
which to follow at the time, and this decision takes self-knowledge to make
well. Takes trial and error too I guess. That's how I see it, anyway.

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OCCULTMsg # 122 of 131                 Date: Sun 19/10/1997,  9:07 pm
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 23 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>
>I can never seem to beat people up in my dreams, no matter how much I try.
>Often I rain punches on someone (usually a huge bugger) and it does
>absolutely nothing.

Maybe you should use your personal strenghts as your weapon.
In your dreams you see yourself as weak and inefectual physically.
So why dont you try to outsmart your enemies or outrun them or bath them in
a pool of white light.
You need to have your own secret weapon that is yours and yours alone.

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OCCULTMsg # 123 of 131                 Date: Sat  1/11/1997,  3:24 pm
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 27 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :           New Age Subboard       
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>><humour on>
>>Imagine getting pissed by being around pissed ppl. It would save money, and
>>possibly health...
>
>It happens with some drugs, where if you've taken it enough times, if you
>walk into a room where everyone's tripping out, you catch it by association
>:>

And that effect hasn't been legislated against! ... yet.

>>>It's a bitch being empathic (everyone has the potential for it) in this da
>>>and age.  I can be walking down the street, see someone's face and feel su
>>>sadness that it obliterates me for days.  I always put myself in a good
>>
>><PoD mode on, everyone else ignore the following...>
>>Cheer yourself up by killing them on the spot, so they're no longer sad.
>><PoD mode off>
>
>I wish I had an active enough imagination to do just that!

Gotta understand the cause of the feeling to be able to change the cause,
yet, admittedly, we're not always in a position to have the power either.
Eg. If I'm worried about affording something, and someone says to me here's
the money as a present (happened for contacts, & other things),
or I'm resentful/frustrated at still not haveing a bike, and my bro loans me
his, or I'm really bored and someone entertains me, or (to show the other
side) I'm happy and someone pushes me over, or I need something but can't
find it, or I'm happy but get abused badly... etc... these all have definite
emotional consequences in me. They all have an external cause, but real
self-power is being able to do the same to oneself, witout an external
cause. I don't mean tricking oneself, or faking it, I mean actually making a
significant change, without it being externally initiated. An example of
this is being really bummed out by something being broken, then fixing it
yourself, after not realising you could, and being as happy, if not happier,
than haveing it fixed for you. If I need money, and find a perk job, that's
another example. Also going out and learning stuff, meeting people...
These things, admittedly, are easier said than done, and require many things
opportunity, belief, risk, cost, skill... not all of which are available to
us at the time necessarily, which is why life's always a struggle, and
that's a big challenge of life: survival, self-improvement...

>>>frame of mind before going out, there's sooo many 'gray people' out there,
>>>and it's not good to have it rub off.
>>
>><seriously>
>>As I'm maturing and caring more for my influence on those around me, I do
>>try more often (though still not often enough) to be mellow, in the same wa
>>that I do believe the saying that a smile's not a smile 'till it's given
>>away.  Last night I was told several times how relaxed my attitude was, and
>>I was asked how I reduced my tension. To me it's a deliberate mindset, an
>>attitude which I encourage in myself for my (and others) benefit.
>
>How do you actively change mindsets though?  Say you're stressed out, you go
>home in that mood, how do you change it quickly, and without faking it?

The above long winded reply of mine relates to this, but my more specific
answer is to re-assess priorities and values. Often the mood biases the
resultant outlook beyond what is appropriate after a time, or it carries
over to inappropriate events, triggering inappropriate responses. IOW stress
outside the home, coming home... stress not fully resolved and over by time
your home... At home, different situation, but biased by previous stresses,
so some advantage of being at home to deal with it is lost. It then usually
takes a distraction to cause an emotional reassessment, which then allows
the home advantage to register, and dealing with the stress is improved.
To reassess on purpose, without waiting for it to be accidentally prompted,
I'm careful to define the (in this case) `stress', so that it's isolated
from unrelated things, and therefore still more in it's appropriate context,
and therefore doesn't negate the advantages of relaxing at home, allowing
me to deal with it on a different perspective, one thjat's better suited...

IOW: Backing off to basics and a broader view, the re focus back on it
again, but this time you can see the 'wood for all the trees'. Works well
for me on many levels, but a general technique, use in combination with
others too... I wonder if i've expressed myself in a useful way... sounds a
bit glib on rereading... not quite how I hoped it'd turn out. Oh, an
example, In this case I'd rewrite the massage, this being a practice run,
(which doesn't always work, admittedly), but this last eg. should help too,
I think... I think this is all basic stuff, all of the stuff that works is,
it's just the ability to call on the necessary techniques as appropriate, as
a sense of hopelessness, for example, tends to be a block from what could be
a resolution, so misinterpretation of own emotions really de-powers a
person, makes things all screwy and complex... Which is why I try to tune in
to my emotions & moods, & get to understand them, their function and
boundaries, too ovoid jelly leaking across subbies, to put it weirdly. Shit,
I'm off...

with it from a different p

>>>You also end up with strange people hanging around you because they feel
>>>like you know them, but they're always around to be cheered up, and after
>>>while you notice that they give nothing back for it, but just suck out you
>>
>>Yeah, how true! But with practice you can certainly control your energy
>>flows, encouraging or inhibiting your energies, and with more practice,
>>others energies. I really feel that learning to control enrgies is
>>worthwhile for those who are quite sensitive to them.
>
>I haven't found a course for that at Uni :>  hehehehe

Uni too mainstream... find ppl that have had success, ..

>>>good energy.  There's an interesting book on this, the 'Celestine Prophesy
>>>It's got a wanky ending, but the theories are rock solid.  Well worth a re
>>>if you're thinking of 'upgrading' your empathy :>
>>
>>S'funny, a girl I met, and found her views real interesting, recommended
>>I read that very same book. Do you think others that have read it would
>>recommend it too? (sorry, not taking the mickey, just can't help a burst of
>>'humour' Smile
>>She said she'd loan me the book, but that was before she decided not to kno
>>me anymore (or so I think...) so do you have the book for me to borrow?
>
>I think that everyone who's read it would recommend it to all and sundry :>
>It changes your outlook while you're reading the book.. and there's a few
>lead 'clunkers' in there to keep you interested too :>

remind me to read it... Smile
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OCCULTMsg # 124 of 131                 Date: Wed  3/03/1999, 12:08 am

From: GURU                       Read: 16 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>Does anyone else rely on their (as Magnum PI calls it) 'little voices'?  I
>hope like hell I'm not the only one!  Tell all.  If anyone laughs about it
>or makes a joke about it (yes, I mean YOU) I'll throw 'em into the corner
>for 2 days.  This is serious stuff for those of us that believe.  If you
>don't believe, unjoin this subby.

There's two voices in my head. One I call 'intuition', the other I call
'me'. I have some very interesting conversations with me (wow, this is gonna
make the guys in white coats happy). Usually when I'm trying to solve a
problem, work out what was going on in a recent conversation, etc, I'll just
talk about it inside my head: sometimes with myself, sometimes I'll imagine
talking to someone I know well. But I bear in mind that this is just stuff
I've made up to make life easieror more interesting or whatever.

  Intuition is different. It doesn't talk, and most of the time it doesn't
communicate in any other way either. But every now and then I KNOW to do
something, and I trust that feeling. You could explain this one as being
your subconcious mind seing things your concious hasn't noticed and passing
stuff on to the concious. Thats probably how Ras would explain it. I don't
know. I just know that when I feel "get out of here" I get out, etc.

  I don't know how far its worth trusting this feeling. A friend of mine has
decided that there is a God bassed on this feeling. OK I don't know what
I'd do if my intuition said there was a God. Interesting to think about tho.

  Unfortunately I also don't really know if its helpful. I can't think of
any time I can look back and say "just as well I followed what I felt
otherwise X would have happened" or whatever. I havn't had an experience
like what you say about your friend dying. In fact anytime anything major
HAS happened its been completely unforseen and unpredicted and unfelt and
seemingly unavoidable.

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OCCULTMsg # 125 of 131                 Date: Wed  3/03/1999, 12:25 am
From: GURU                       Read: 16 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: About:  WEIRD cat!

>There's a HELL OF A LOT of things that go on with me. I can't keep up with
>it all, so I don't like to have other people around me.  I prefer not to
>Force that part of myself onto other people, as a sign of respect.  It's why
>I don't flat with others, why I deal with people over the modem, why I don't
>have children, and why I hibernate.  I never lose myself though, which is a
>good thing.  I am one of the few people that can say that they like
>themselves.

Lots of things go on with everyone, and noone I know keeps up with all of
it; tho some do a pretty good job. Thats why everyone is so confused about
everything and always make mistakes and screw other people over in the
process... because noone can 'keep up'. I like that phrase (officially
stolen for later use).

  Hmm... everyone has different ways of coping. Yours sounds like one of the
better ones. My own is to try to be as open as possible with everyone and
not to hate but accept people. That ain't too easy 'cos by nature I'd say
I'm verging on autistic and I have an extreme dislike of incompetence. And
as I said everyone is incompetent at life to some degree. Bummer. So yes I
screw people over sometimes too.

  Its a good thing you like yourself. I do believe that is one of the steps
on the road to 'enlightenment' (a friend's word, not mine, but it fits
here).

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OCCULTMsg # 126 of 131                 Date: Wed  3/03/1999, 12:36 am
From: GURU                       Read: 17 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ALL
Subject: Empathy and caring

>It's a bitch being empathic (everyone has the potential for it) in this day
>and age.  I can be walking down the street, see someone's face and feel such
>sadness that it obliterates me for days.  I always put myself in a good
>frame of mind before going out, there's sooo many 'gray people' out there,
>and it's not good to have it rub off.
>
>You also end up with strange people hanging around you because they feel
>like you know them, but they're always around to be cheered up, and after a
>while you notice that they give nothing back for it, but just suck out your
>good energy.  There's an interesting book on this, the 'Celestine Prophesy'.
>It's got a wanky ending, but the theories are rock solid.  Well worth a read
>if you're thinking of 'upgrading' your empathy :>

Don't get the impression I'm a do-good know-it-all absolutely perfect person
who couldn't fail to be nice from what I'm about to say. I guess that's
prolly come across anyway from my other messages.

  I don't agree with the 'rubbing off' bit. That doesn't click. I want to
save the world, and I think that if people can be sure enough of themselves
then they won't be dragged down by people who aren't sure of themselves. The
people who fail are those who either weren't secure enough themselves or
didn't try hard enough. Why not give some color to a gray person instead of
walking away in fear of them dragging you down?

  There must be a way of 'cheering someone up' permanently so they don't
NEED you anymore. There's not really that many evil people in the world...
just lots of lost and lonely and unthinking people. And all these things can
be changed. They can be shown how to think, shown kindness, shown how to
find their own direction.

  I don't believe we should walk away. But I still do. Less than 12 hours
ago I walked right on by one such 'grey person'. Shit. I'll get there.

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OCCULTMsg # 127 of 131                 Date: Wed 17/03/1999, 12:36 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 9 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GURU
Subject: Re: Empathy and caring

>  I don't believe we should walk away. But I still do. Less than 12 hours
>ago I walked right on by one such 'grey person'. Shit. I'll get there.

A while ago I took a look at the friends I had around me.  I'd just been to
a course that made me realise that there was a lot of negative stuff around,
expecially in people's heads.  One of the things that stuck with me in the
course was a wee story (parable or whatever) where a friend comes to your
house, looking really shaken up.  She (she was a she in this story) says as
you open the door "Look, I've just had a rotton time.  On the way over here,
just as I was parking I hit this other car.  I feel so stupid!" You say to
her "sit down a while, and settle yourself.  Here, have a coffee and tell me
all about it.  I'm sure it was because you're stressed out at the moment,
with everything that's going on in your life.  Take a little time out and
relax for a moment."

Now.. imagine it was you that had hit that car.  Would you be as friendly to
yourself, or would you blast yourself with recriminations, telling yourself
that you were stupid?

After that course I looked around at the friends I had, and most of them
acted towards me as nastily as I acted towards myself.  They weren't
empowering friends, and I noticed this more and more as I became more
friendly towards myself.

Sometimes it's good to slough off negative people, just to get some piece of
mind and stay centred.

:>

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OCCULTMsg # 128 of 131                 Date: Thu 18/03/1999,  1:02 am
From: GURU                       Read: 34 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Empathy and caring

>Now.. imagine it was you that had hit that car.  Would you be as friendly to
>yourself, or would you blast yourself with recriminations, telling yourself
>that you were stupid?

Hehehe... I smiled inwardly when I read this bit. Its a point I've
considered before, but not quite in this way.

Like with riding a bike - I'll do all sorts of stupid things when I'm on my
own. If there's someone on the back you'll hardly ever find me breaking the
speed limit, changing lanes suddenly, whatever. Suddenly I'm a whole lot
more careful, 'cos I care about that person. Its not so much that I don't
care about me. Just I don't mind coming off quite as much as I know other
people will. I know it won't phase me as much as them so I look out for
them.

Kind of the same with emotions. I always hastle myself. Shitless. About
mistakes, 'cos I want to learn to avoid them. But I'll fogive others easy
enough. Because I don't take offence at myself, but others probably will, or
will feel really bad for having their mistakes pointed out or whatever.

Probably egotistical actually, truth be known, thinking "I can take it and
others can't". Thats not quite it, but you could boil it down to that I
guess.

>After that course I looked around at the friends I had, and most of them
>acted towards me as nastily as I acted towards myself.  They weren't
>empowering friends, and I noticed this more and more as I became more
>friendly towards myself.
>
>Sometimes it's good to slough off negative people, just to get some piece of
>mind and stay centred.

Yep. Negative people aren't good news. Personally I can't see myself
becoming 'more friendly with myself', 'cos thats getting soft   Smile    But I
don't take kindly to people who only see bad in others.

I don't think I've met that many really negative people. Just a lot of
people who seem to be basically good but have some bad points... usually
ones that they don't even realise. A girl I met recently is like that. She's
mostly a good person but she hurts herself by sleeping around to such an
extent that her friends (my friends too) hastle her shitless about it. And
she doesn't seem to have any control over the situation - she just falls for
anyone who shows her any kindness, and unfortunately the only people who
have shown her any kindness so far have only done so to get her into bed.
I'd call what she's doing pretty negative, and how others treat her is
negative. But sloughing off isn't the answer.

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OCCULTMsg # 129 of 131                 Date: Mon 26/04/1999,  1:21 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 14 times

     To: GURU                    Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: eh?

>>>>I use the Tarot cards :>  They tend to tell me what I don't want to know 
>>>
>>>Cheat!   Smile     Seriously (you're going to think I'm being a bastard, but
>>>I'm just being honest) I don't recon those things have squat to do with
>>>anything. Its called luck of the draw. That said, maybe I'm just plain too
>>>cynical.
>>
>>You should get a reading done, and see for yourself :>
>
>Yeah but I will subconciously end up trying to fit whatever happens into
>whatever you said would happen. Better just to let life work itself out I
>think.
>
>I think. Not so sure tho. Can't seem to work this life thing out at the
>moment tho anyways.

It's just you writing your own book.  Make it as interesting as you like :>

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OCCULTMsg # 130 of 131                 Date: Sat  1/05/1999,  4:29 pm
From: RAS                        Read: 14 times  [1 Reply]

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: eh?

>>>I use the Tarot cards :>  They tend to tell me what I don't want to know :
>
>>Cheat!   Smile     Seriously (you're going to think I'm being a bastard, but
>>I'm just being honest) I don't recon those things have squat to do with
>>anything. Its called luck of the draw. That said, maybe I'm just plain too
>>cynical.
>
>Ithink u have it there Guru... Mabee Tarot's are more sinister than we
>thought, not predicting the future but creating it.
>You may have a long and prosporous life but at the random draw of a card
>your in for long and prosporous death... 

Does that still work if the I pre-arrange the cards?

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OCCULTMsg # 131 of 131                 Date: Tue 18/05/1999,  2:55 pm
From: AIMEE                      Read: 4 times

     To: RAS
Subject: Re: eh?

>>Ithink u have it there Guru... Mabee Tarot's are more sinister than we
>>thought, not predicting the future but creating it.
>>You may have a long and prosporous life but at the random draw of a card
>>your in for long and prosporous death... 
>
>Does that still work if the I pre-arrange the cards?

In one of Terry Pratchett's books, one of his characters, a Medium doesn't
like to see people upset, so she takes out the major Arcana before doing a
reading :>
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