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BBSCMNTSMsg # 1 of 48                    Date: Sun 29/08/1993,  4:26 pm  [E]

From: AIMEE                      Read: 113 times

     To: You                     Fwd From: :      Humour for the streets!     
Subject: So you wanna be a SysOp huh?!

                     SO - YOU WANNA BE A SYSOP?
                     --------------------------
 Part 1 - Your BBS
 -----------------
1) It's speed and features offered.

In the early days of the Modem scene, people happily used systems that were
a tiny fraction of the Speed of the ones today. They had mail systems that
spent 5 minutes searching the entire mail file each time you looked for
messages to you, before displaying the lines as it found them. They
suffered from Garbage collections. They didn't have any baud rate except
300. They didn't have message editing. They had few forums, they actually
took time to send messages.

The Pioneering modemers lived with what they had, and made the best of it.
There was no infighting because the people concerned were bawled out for
wasting others time. They thoroughly enjoyed themselves.

Today, message saving is instant, anyone can write abusive mail anywhere,
BBS's have untold features un-dreamed of a few years ago. If something is a
bit slow, it gets abused, no matter how much time has been put into it, no
matter how fast. it ought up on larger systems, and have no patience with
anything but the super-fast.

Owners of smaller systems will have to work harder than ever to make a
System that will meet the expectations of the Modern modemer.

2) Users wanting to join.

There are 2 ways of handling new users.

- Programming the Computer to recognise if a name is new, and if so,
  confirm then asking for the rest of their details.

- Asking them to send mail to you with name/phone number and anything else
  you may require.

The first is fine for Systems with huge amounts of storage, but if you've
got a limited number of user spaces available, you'll likely choose the
second.

If you pick the second, you'll discover that a third of the users asking to
join forget to send their name, password or Phone number. I've encountered
one or two who've sent a message saying:

"Dear SysOp, Can I join, please?".

And thats it.

3) Security.

The most common method to stop people getting where you don't want them to
is multiple 'levels' within a BBS. Each level requires a password to reach
it, and gives more features.

The other method is using total JUNK passwords. Eg: 'blpr5qiwhb', or
opening a Dutch-English dictionary at random and picking a word.  A good
idea is to log incorrect passwords to disk with the Username tried. There's
no need to go overboard with Security because BBS's are small fry to Real
Hackers. Also there's a much greater chance of being caught than with a
Commercial System because people will guess who it was.

DO read a copy of 'The Hackers Handbook' if you can find a copy. It tells
all the tricks and most common passwords.  Avoid like the plague passwords
like GOD, SYSTEM, OP, OPS, SEX (and all it's associated words), FAM, DOS,
anything to do with yourself or your family, interests, Computer type etc. 
One day I told a 'friend' that I loved the movie ALIENS. The next day a
password was hacked. No prizes for guessing the Password.  A few weeks ago
a bad-spelling hacker had a go at my BBS, and missed getting in by one
letter.

If things get bad, there are suggestions in the
Autodialler notes about what you can do.

4) Mail Privacy.

There are 2 main points of view on Privacy of mail.

a) What happens on your System is entirely your responsibility, so you must
   read everyone's mail.

b) Private mail is exactly that, and no-one except the person it's to or
   from should be able to read it.

If you prefer (a), ensure as few others as possible can read others mail.
There's almost nothing that will put users off your BBS more than people
boasting about reading everyone's mail.

Keep in mind a recent case where a SysOps Sister was sitting by the Machine
all day watching mail rolling in, and telling people about it.

5) Co-SysOps.

It's almost a MUST to have at least one other person who can look after
your BBS by remote if it's going 24 hours a day, and especially if you're
charging for use of your BBS.  Don't have more than two Co-SysOps.

After say, a Year of programming your BBS, and six months running it, you
will grow to Absolutely HATE your System, seeing the same gripes, groans,
moans, 15 messages messages daily to you and Program, day in, day out, never
ending, and you will need to walk away from it for a few days.

To lighten the load, you might program your BBS to share mail to "SysOp"
between you and your Co-SysOp. Or better still, redirect ALL of it to him
without telling.

Obviously, you'll need to pick Extremely carefully. You almost can't be too
careful in choosing who can look after your System.  The safest immediate
choice is a Close friend, or a user you know who's got a Good reputation.

There was a case recently where a SysOp gave a person full privileges for
an hour or so to a user to create his own forum, and the moment the
Keyboard operator turned his back, he listed everyone's passwords to Buffer.
Kicked off when his treachery was discovered, he logged on later that night
under the Sysops account and re- established himself.  Worse, he spread
everyone's passwords around and then had the Gall to complain about being
kicked off.

Another case had a user boasting "How choice it was to read everyone's
mail".

Yet another bad choice was used by the Co-SysOp to grab everyone's
passwords then hack the accounts of users he didn't like, and abuse their
friends through mail.

6) New Features.

"Variety is the Spice of life".

Change the Chat interrupt message, the Chat call messages occasionally,
even if you're not usually around to answer.  Have a dozen or so Cheeky
logoff/on messages, or even let users enter their own  Perhaps even
individual logoff/on messages to your friends

If you've got the Space, see about adding new Features occasionally. Online
games of any kind always go down well.

7) Repairs.

When you're running a BBS, especially when you're Charging, if something
goes wrong you've GOT to have it fixed within a day or two. Several BBS's
have a list of Good Repair places around Auckland. Print it and keep it on
hand.

8) A few tips.

- Every BBS has slow times, when users don't contribute for awhile. Don't
  tell People to Contribute. At least directly.

- Don't start a Computer-vs-Computer argument. Those who've been around the
  BBS's for a while have seen so many they're more likely to go away.

- Have an Anonymous account for trusted people who want to stir about a
  Controversial subject, but not use their name.

- Don't check how long a person has been on while they're entering a
  message. That way, people can finish entering a message and not be rushed
  by "You have 1 minute left". 'To give is better than to receive'.

PART 2 - The users you'll meet
------------------------------

1) Autodiallers.

For part time BBS's or those which have just stopped, and especially when
the BBS line is also your Family line, the Autodialling user is the MOST
infuriating thing you will encounter.

There are 3 main types of Autodialling modems around. - The one that dials
your number and sits quietly there for up to 30 seconds waiting for carrier
before hanging up. - The one that waits 5 seconds, and hangs up the INSTANT
it detects a voice, telling the user what it picked up. This is the most
common type. - The one that instantly gives carrier for up to 20 seconds
waiting for you to respond before hanging up.

The majority have Speakers in built so the user can hear whats happening.

Lets say you're running a Night-time BBS. You advertise the hours as say,
9pm to 7.30am, week nights only so you can go Nightclubbing or whatever.
You will from then on have Autodiallers calling you 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week, sometimes up to 10 times in a row before they finally realise there
might, just might, kind of, perhaps, you know, be, like, just possibly, a
PERSON answering the Phone instead of a Computer.  The vast majority don't
call back to see whats going on, and will try again later.

One day I was Blasting Alien invaders with the Modem off. A person began
calling once a minute, giving carrier for 15 seconds before hanging up.
Each time, 6 times in total, I'd answer "Hello... HELLO..... 'HELLO'.."
<Click> Beep Beep Beep....  The 7th time, I answered with a long string of
Abuse, and he immediately hung up.  That afternoon, the person wrote a
Public message saying "Hey, SysOp, please remove this number from your BBS
list. That BBS doesn't seem to exist any more. The person there wasn't
impressed and told me to 'F*** off'".

Manual modem users can be just as bad. There's still one caller ringing
with a Manual modem that I haven't caught, who's got a noisy household
during the Afternoon. I've lost count of the number of times he's phoned
and hung up when I answered, and so have several others.

There are several ways of finding who they are.

1) Set up the BBS and wait for him to call back. When he does, ask him he
did it. If he denies it, say "Oh, well. When the Police bring todays Phone
Trace report we'll find who it was". And see what he says. Most Autodialling
users wait at least 1/2 an hour before re-trying, so this is unlikely to
work.

2) Examine user logs of other BBS's for the callers on for an hour before
and after the time of the call.

3) Write a Dummy BBS to put up when your BBS isn't supposed to be on, or
you're getting bothered. Program it to ask them for their name and Phone
number.  If you're mad, have it dial the numbers it collects once every 15
minutes until you get back.

4) Get Telecoms to put a Phone trace on your line. Telecoms are reluctant
to do this, because they'll have to organise it with the Police. You'll
also be visited once a day by the Police to confirm the numbers on the
Printout.  They'll recommend a number change instead.  If you're determined
to get a Trace, tell them the calls are keeping your Mother, Father,
Sister, Brother, Grandparents, Hamster and Budgie awake at night, their
School work is suffering, the Parents work is suffering, they're worried
it's Burglars finding whether you're home...  They'll give you what you
want then, rather than put up with you any longer.

If you've found who they are, and you're mad enough, try the following.

- Ring him and abuse him, and tell him what he's doing.

- Autodial him once an hour from 10pm to 5am each night for a week.

- Advertise HIS number as a 24-hour, 7 day BBS.

2) Complaints.

"Users are made to test the SysOp".

- The message header says "Enter message, 20 line max, '.' on a new line to
end.".

A caller coming on for the first time sends 4 messages asking how to end a
message. You tell him to enter '.' on a new line. He sends another 4
messages the next day.

 '.'
 ,
 ??????
 s
  ,s
 ??????

And again asks how to send a message. Your reply reads:

 .s
 ^ Thats how to do it.

You've put a space before the '.', as otherwise it'd send the message.

The reply:

 .s
 ^
 ??????
 ,s s
 .s
  s ??????

At the time of writing, the same user is still sending 1- 4 messages a day
asking how to end a message without going to 20 lines. - The main
A,B,C,D,.......... Y,Z ?=help

You'll be asked what each letter stands for.

- You don't have file transfer because you don't have either the Space in
your machine or Disk drive. - You don't have 1200/75 because you can't
afford the modem or it'd be difficult to program.

In both cases, you'll get people demanding it almost on a daily Basis.

See how fast they shut up when you suggest they Contribute toward the cost
of the new Modem / Computer / Disk drives.

- You don't have any control over the modem, and can't have it engage the
line while your BBS recycles from the last caller.  You've mentioned that
in the info section and other places.

In the time it takes (up to 1 minute in my case), I have seen the same
caller come on 3 times, press <Return> 10 times to try and wake it up,
assume it's crashed, then drop carrier to try again.

He then sent mail telling me it was crashed.

Others have come on, waited 10 seconds, dropped carrier then told people
elsewhere it was crashed.

- Users rarely tell YOU if they don't like something. They tell their
friends, put it in Public on other BBS's. But never think that if they tell
you, you might be able to do something about it.

3) Software piracy.

This is so commonplace among modemers that taking a Stance against it will
stop a lot of callers. The unwritten rule is "You can swap it, and give it
away, but NEVER sell it".  Remove Copyrighted software from your Download
lists, as legal action is possible if Discovered by Manufacturers.  Whether
or not you make a stand against Pirating is up to you, though most SysOps
will prevent the sale of Copyrighted programs through their BBS. Especially
if they wrote their own System.

4) Arguments.

Sooner or later, 2 (or more) users are going to have a screaming row on
your BBS.  It's best to ignore it at first unless Bad language is used. Let
them sort themselves out.  After that, tell them to move of the rupting it.
 If its personal, tell them to use the Private mail, where they can abuse
each other all they like.  Otherwise, move it to the forum that would suit
it. For example: Arguments about Religion, The Nazi Party, Races, The Death
Sentence and so on.

PART 3 - You, The SysOp
-----------------------

Surviving being a SysOp is harder than it sounds. Look at it this way.
You're dealing with the same Machine, the same Program, the same Questions,
day in, day out, never ending.  Some of the users will drive you so far up
the wall you'll want to jump onto your machine. You'll see people doing
things that will make you scream.

THAT is why few one-SysOp BBS's last more than a year or two, not because
of monetary difficulties.  Here are some tips that will keep you in one
piece, and maybe your BBS also.

- Have a Co-SysOp.

- Take frequent breaks.

- Leave the machine sitting in the corner. It doesn't need your attention
the whole time.

- Don't log on when you're Depressed or Angry.

- DO log on if you're Drunk but not Blotto. It makes for a fun login!

- Have "Computerless days". It IS possible to go 24 hours
without touching your Machine.

For something different, you might:

- Start an argument.
- Send 35 letters of junk mail to a friend.
- Add a feature for a day or two to poke fun at someone, in a Humourous way.

PART 4 - Charging for the Use of your BBS
-----------------------------------------

Don't start charging until your BBS has been going for a minimum of 6
months, unless it's got a huge message turnover and masses of Features.
File transfer and the like.  For smaller Systems, Users won't pay for a new
BBS until they've seen it going properly for a period of time. 6 months is
generally considered time enough to earn your 'Wings'.  Whether you delete
Unpaying users is up to you, but most SysOps reduce Access so they know
they haven't paid, but can still Contribute.

1) The Pros.

- Paying the Phone bill and her expenses a BBS.

It's hard to recover the cost of Hardware, as Users won't take kindly to
paying for your Equipment. Even if THEY use it more than you.

2) The Cons.

- You're Committed to providing the service for the promised time. Eg: One
year.

- It adds to your Stress as a SysOp. You have to keep track of who's paid
and when, in addition to everything else.

- It's a lot harder to Remove people who repeatedly Abuse your System (Bad
Language etc). If you Stop such a person for a week or so, they'll jump
back with "But I've paid, I've got a right to use your System".

- Charging can kill the 'Chatty' atmosphere of a BBS, because fewer people
will visit.

PART 5 - Conclusion
-------------------
Being a SysOp may have a Freudian link with a Recurring dream I had.  My
Girlfriend went into Hysterics one day, saying the Computer was Possessed.
We walked outside, and sure enough, there was a dense cloud of smoke forming
over the house.  She said the only way to stop it was to chop up the
Computer.  I went into the Garage, grabbed the Hand-axe, and at that point
the Dream would end.
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 2 of 48                    Date: Mon  5/05/1997,  2:10 am  [E]

From: AIMEE                      Read: 30 times

     To: HYDRA
Subject: Re: Call waiting

>Wish Bone:
>>I hate you so much, you used Halo.
>>If I ever meet you i will kick your arse, you fucking homo.
>>Go away and never come on this BBS ever again
>
>And we wanted to know this because...?

Because it's a great indication that Smash is still exporting ShitLink :>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 3 of 48                    Date: Thu  8/05/1997,  6:01 pm  [I]
From: WARREN SHEPHERD            Read: 29 times  [1 Reply]

     To: TAPPER                  Origin: 13:666/50
Subject: Re: Wgtn BBS Listing :>

>yo.... me here AGAIN....
>ummm... are you still running of your sysop update list?....
>try taking a guezzz at mine you'll find a few places are gone so that you
>wont
>got voice/fax machines...
>Smile
>TaPpEr!

No offence to you Tapper, but I have had a *lot* of problems with your BBS
list, including when you had my old board listed down which actually had
closed down about 2 years ago!, A Lot of wrong numbers, etc....

--- SLMAIL v4.5  (#1381)
 * Origin: Net Central BBS (13:666/50)
SEEN-BY: 666/1 3 4 9 12 14 15 16 17 50 150 300 771/230
 

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 4 of 48                    Date: Fri  9/05/1997,  3:35 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 27 times

     To: WARREN SHEPHERD
Subject: Re: Wgtn BBS Listing :>

>No offence to you Tapper, but I have had a *lot* of problems with your BBS
>list, including when you had my old board listed down which actually had
>closed down about 2 years ago!, A Lot of wrong numbers, etc....

... private nodes put on as public nodes.... etc...

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 5 of 48                    Date: Mon  3/11/1997, 10:27 pm  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 21 times  [1 Reply]

     To: SPARKS
Subject: Re: Rip

>Sombody make a lst of al of the rip brds in Wellingotn

Would you be able to read it if we did?  ;>


Sombody = sleeping person?
lst= like 1st, but with an "l" could be short for last?
al= Al Bundy from "Married with Children"
brds= short for birds that cant see, (No eye birds)
Wellingotn= a small Icelandic village just outside of Reykjavik

Could be deciphered as "Let the last sleeping bird lie, for it shall be torn
from the snow swept wilds of the Icelandic coast before the shoe salesman
cometh."

...of course I could be wrong, Its so hard to tell.  :>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 6 of 48                    Date: Tue  4/11/1997, 11:55 pm  [E]
From: XLNC                       Read: 22 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS
Subject: Re: Rip

>>Sombody make a lst of al of the rip brds in Wellingotn

>Would you be able to read it if we did?  ;>
>Sombody = sleeping person?
>lst= like 1st, but with an "l" could be short for last?
>al= Al Bundy from "Married with Children"
>brds= short for birds that cant see, (No eye birds)
>Wellingotn= a small Icelandic village just outside of Reykjavik
>Could be deciphered as "Let the last sleeping bird lie, for it shall be torn
>from the snow swept wilds of the Icelandic coast before the shoe salesman
>cometh." ...of course I could be wrong, Its so hard to tell.  :>

I see it like this...
Sombody= A somber Body, sadened perhaps...
lst=List as in a lean to one side...
al= Al yep of Bundy type...
Rip=Dead...
Wellington=Gumboot.

So mabee its...
For those who are sadened by it, Push aside the dead birds named Al with
your gumboot!   q8/

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 7 of 48                    Date: Wed  5/11/1997, 12:24 am  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 19 times

     To: XLNC
Subject: Re: Rip

>I see it like this...
>Sombody= A somber Body, sadened perhaps...
>lst=List as in a lean to one side...
>al= Al yep of Bundy type...
>Rip=Dead...
>Wellington=Gumboot.
>
>So mabee its...
>For those who are sadened by it, Push aside the dead birds named Al with
>your gumboot!   q8/

program simplesolutiontosimpleprob;

uses crt;
var smartassreply : string;
    ripdead : boolean;

procedure calljpgask;

begin
     writeln('Why not use Ripterm 2 to get JPG and WAV instead then ?');
     readln(smartassreply);
     if smartassreply<>'good point' then
                                        begin
                                        writeln('Ahhh go jump in a lake!');
                                        end;
    end;
{Program starts here}

begin
clrscr;
If Ripdead=true then calljpgask;
If Ripdead=false then writeln('Rip is not dead so jump in a lake !');
end.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 8 of 48                    Date: Sun 23/11/1997,  7:04 pm  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 18 times

     To: SPARKS
Subject: Re: Rip

>I'm running a 486dx2 66, w/ 8 MB RAM but I only got a EGA screen so all
>graphics SUX!
>If I had a VGA+ screen, yes I would be into graphics
>I find that if I do display a JPG it takes a couple of seconds

Hmm, that is a bummer, but the ANSITOON will work for you,
as it's only ANSI, (I presume your EGA is colour).
It's on here, look for keyword 'simpsons' or ansi animation, or on
Compuboard... I reckon it's a real buzz to see.
Oh heck, I'll attach it now in case you do wanna try it once...
If you do, let me know what you thought. I'd love to be able to do this
stuff...

Message has attached file (ANSITOON.ZIP, 1k). Download now?  Na  Yup   Na 
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 9 of 48                    Date: Sun  7/12/1997, 11:49 am  [E]
From: GURU                       Read: 18 times  [1 Reply]

     To: DANIEL DONBAVAND
Subject: Re: no fear

>hello all this is daniel donbavand you might have notice that no fear bbs
>has be not answering well i no why because no fear is closed at the mo and
>will re open next yeah on the 20th and that is the big oping date man it is
>going to be better running telegard and havning the best co sysop ever DAVID
>HOOKER well we will see where no fear goes so call it on the 20th
>thanx daniel donbavand

H,DD.YdNFBBS
(rearrange the 'be' and 'not')
.W,Ik-NF-.Y,,
(kill the 'and')
en.I-
(kill the 'n' in 'havning')
--.WNF.S.DD

Who, me being pedantic? Well, all the grammar corrections are listed above.
Actually putting them into the message is left as an excersise for the
reader  Smile

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 10 of 48                   Date: Tue  9/12/1997,  2:55 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 15 times

     To: GURU
Subject: Re: no fear

>>hello all this is daniel donbavand you might have notice that no fear bbs
>>has be not answering well i no why because no fear is closed at the mo and
>>will re open next yeah on the 20th and that is the big oping date man it is
>>going to be better running telegard and havning the best co sysop ever DAVI
>>HOOKER well we will see where no fear goes so call it on the 20th
>>thanx daniel donbavand
>
>H,DD.YdNFBBS
>(rearrange the 'be' and 'not')
>.W,Ik-NF-.Y,,
>(kill the 'and')
>en.I-
>(kill the 'n' in 'havning')
>--.WNF.S.DD

Shouldn't it be:
H,DD.YdNFBBS
(rearrange the 'be' and 'not')
en.W,Ikw:BNF,
(kill the 'and' and 'h')
-r.Ten.{para}M
-T-,C-S:
(Kill the 'n')
.{para}W.WNF,.
(Kill the 'x')
ks.{para}DD.

Smile

>Who, me being pedantic? Well, all the grammar corrections are listed above.
>Actually putting them into the message is left as an excersise for the
>reader  Smile

...
(Kill the 'c' and the 's')
c
.


Big Grin

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 11 of 48                   Date: Tue 16/12/1997, 11:59 am  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 19 times

     To: All
Subject: Wellington BBS Scene Revival

As you are all pretty much aware, the Wellington BBS scene has declined
somewhat over the past year or so.

Some put it down to the internet, which is a fair comment, but what are we
Sysop's doing about it ?

I think a lot of it also has to do with the general standard of BBSing
today.

In my opinion, Wellington BBS's in general are well below parr to what I
think they should be like.
The BBS scene used to be full of vitality and now it's looking in a rather
sorry state.

There's all sorts of things we can do to help the cause I believe.

Firstly, I believe Ansi has been the graphics standard for waaaaaay to long.
Let's get out of the stone age ! Why don't we make RIP, or even better, JPG
the new graphics standard ? A lot of BBS software supports both !

Ansi looks too primitive for BBSing today I believe. If your software
package supports Rip2 script, not only will you be able to use JPG graphics,
but Wavs as well !

Secondly, I ask what do BBS's have to offer that the Internet doesn't ? Many
say that BBS's have a more personal touch. But is this really so ? BBS's
where the Sysop will chat regularly to his/her users are few and far between
these days. Apart from that, a lot of BBS's make you feel like you're just
jumping from menu to menu and there's no atmosphere at all. Sysops choose a
name for their BBS, but does the BBS do justice for the name ?

Thirdly, be dedicated about your BBS. Some BBS's are left for weeks on end
with little housekeeping done. If you start your own BBS, follow through
with it. A BBS won't look after itself, it needs nurturing.


So who am I to say that this is what should be done ? Well, forgive me if I
seem like I've got an ego the size of a football pitch, but I feel that my
BBS is one of the few in Wellington that actually follows these things. And
it really pisses me off because I know the BBS scene could be so much better
if people just put more time and effort into it.

Sysops, don't take this message as a flame to your boards, but rather as a
wake up call that there is a problem with the Wgtn BBS Scene and something
needs to be done about it.

I would appreciate feedback on this matter as I believe it is of great
importance.

Cheers all,
Gollum.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 12 of 48                   Date: Sun 22/02/1998, 11:49 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 19 times

     To: All
Subject: my entry for the ansi competition

Ok so I'm already a member... oh well, I thought I might as well make a new
siggie anyways.....







here goes.....
Reply
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 13 of 48                   Date: Thu 19/03/1998, 12:16 am  [E]

From: HORUS                      Read: 17 times

     To: All
Subject: User numbers

I've had a look around a few of the other boards tonight. Some of them I
hadn't logged onto since I began posting here. Man, talk about quiet!!
A person could walk down the middle of their message areas and not have
to worry about getting hit by any traffic.

We here on BS are positively chatty by comparison.
I was tempted to advertise this board everywhere I went, but I may defer
that action for a while. What we want is posting/paid-up members, you
know, I think a subbie that only members can access might stimulate some
of the tighterfisted to cough up the sponds.....anyway, now I'm starting
to ramble...I'm off to check out a few more....if I'm lucky I might be
able to have a squiz at Gollum's while he's asleep????

-=-
 * SLMR 2.1a *

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 14 of 48                   Date: Sat 28/03/1998, 10:30 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 18 times  [1 Reply]

     To: HORUS
Subject: Re: Runnin' a Board

>I can think of at least 3 Sysops that will read this.
>
>If any of you are so inclined I think it would be nice for users and
>users-to-come to find out how long you have been running your boards,
>why you started them in the first place, problems faced operating them,
>maybe even some of the sillier events you have been a witness to.
>
>Come, indulge your flock!

Okay, well firstly, I used to have a Gollum's Cavern before the one I
have now, but that was merely a small, private bulletin board, just to learn
the ins and outs of running a BBS. It wasn't until 1996, I was faced with
two possibilities, either join the internet, or get my own phoneline for a
BBS. I chose the latter and am very glad for it. I opened Gollum's Cavern as
a public BBS November 30th 1996. This was a completely different setup to my
old private bbs which had been gotten rid of quite some time before hand.

I started Gollum's Cavern BBS, because I wanted to set a new standard in
BBSing. I looked around at the different Wellington BBS's and thought that I
could improve on things. I wanted my board to be among the most popular in
Wgtn. So I knuckled down and got down to serious business. I designed all my
Ansi and Rip screens, and did what I could to make things homely and
atmospheric.

My users weren't just "users" they were my "goblins", a part of the cavern
family if u will hehe..

What were some of the problems I faced ? Well in the time I've been running
the board, I've experienced 2 HDD crashes. The 2nd almost saw the end of
Gollum's Cavern as we know it, as I was fed up with having to restart.
Fortunately, my goblins convinced me to bring it all back again. As luck
would have it, I discovered a backup of a backup. A few months old but it
had pretty much everything I needed. The big job was to get Front Door going
again tho, cos I pretty much lost all that setup.

Other probs included ppl who thought they'd be clever and use fake IDs. I've
busted around 10 ppl, including one of my friends who thought I wouldn't
catch him out !

Silly events ? Hmm, dunno about that, maybe the BBS picnic where we had a
very small turnout at Frank Kitts Park. Oh well, it was nice to meet some of
the users tho 8-)

I'm now at the point where I'm very satisfied with Gollum's Cavern's
standing in the BBS scene. When I first started I thought it'd be hard to
compete with the big boys who have had more experience etc, but I think now
in an honest opinion that it is the cream of the crop of Wgtn BBSing.
I still work on it regularly (I don't think I'll ever stop working on it
hehe), mainly cos I think a BBS needs to change with the times to hold
people's interest.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 15 of 48                   Date: Sat 28/03/1998,  1:08 pm  [E]
From: HORUS                      Read: 16 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: Runnin' a Board


H>If any of you are so inclined I think it would be nice for users and
H>users-to-come to find out how long you have been running your boards,
H>why you started them in the first place, problems faced operating
H>them, maybe even some of the sillier events you have been a witness
H>to.

GO>BBS. I chose the latter and am very glad for it. I opened Gollum's Cavern
GO>a public BBS November 30th 1996. This was a completely different setup to
GO>old private bbs which had been gotten rid of quite some time before hand.

Good man, Gollum, I knew I could rely on your participation.

Expense-wise, does it bring tears to your eyes or do you treat it as a
labour of love?

GO>My users weren't just "users" they were my "goblins", a part of the caver
GO>family if u will hehe..

Speaking of Family, does the bbs ever cause friction between you and
your family members? i.e calls at 2-3-4 in the morning when its down.

GO>had pretty much everything I needed. The big job was to get Front Door go
GO>again tho, cos I pretty much lost all that setup.

I've read elsewhere that Front Doors on a bbs are not easy to programme,
why is this? What exactly is one?

GO>Other probs included ppl who thought they'd be clever and use fake IDs. I
GO>busted around 10 ppl, including one of my friends who thought I wouldn't
GO>catch him out !

Ever catch anyone trying to hack into your bbs?

GO>Silly events ? Hmm, dunno about that, maybe the BBS picnic where we had a
GO>very small turnout at Frank Kitts Park. Oh well, it was nice to meet some
GO>the users tho 8-)

I remember reading the advert about your party, I was surprised you
didn't have it in Upper Hutt. How many actually turned up?

GO>I still work on it regularly (I don't think I'll ever stop working on it
GO>hehe), mainly cos I think a BBS needs to change with the times to hold
GO>people's interest.

I heard a rumour a while ago that you were possibly heading up to
Auckland, any basis to that?

-=-
 * SLMR 2.1a *

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 16 of 48                   Date: Sun 29/03/1998, 10:03 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 14 times

     To: HORUS
Subject: Re: Runnin' a Board

>GO>BBS. I chose the latter and am very glad for it. I opened Gollum's Cavern
>GO>a public BBS November 30th 1996. This was a completely different setup to
>GO>old private bbs which had been gotten rid of quite some time before hand.

>Good man, Gollum, I knew I could rely on your participation.

Hey you know me, I don't like to be left out of the game 8-)

>Expense-wise, does it bring tears to your eyes or do you treat it as a
>labour of love?

$40 a month is manageable enough for me. What annoys me is the illusion
some users have that I run the bbs as a profit making venture. I can
honestly say, I'm not making a profit out of it. The membership fees I
charge are smallfry compared to the expenses I sustain. I don't mind paying
for the line at all, but I see no reason why users shouldn't fork out a
little for my service.

>GO>My users weren't just "users" they were my "goblins", a part of the caver
>GO>family if u will hehe..

>Speaking of Family, does the bbs ever cause friction between you and
>your family members? i.e calls at 2-3-4 in the morning when its down.

Nope, I only have one socket for my line. And the phone connected to it
has it's ringing volume turned off. So there's no problems there.

>GO>had pretty much everything I needed. The big job was to get Front Door go
>GO>again tho, cos I pretty much lost all that setup.

>I've read elsewhere that Front Doors on a bbs are not easy to programme,
>why is this? What exactly is one?

Front door is a mailing program that works in conjunction with my BBS
software. It's used for messaging networks (like Shitlink for example).
First time round it's hard cos there's so many things to configure, but
after a while, you get accustomed to it and it becomes easier to setup.

>GO>Other probs included ppl who thought they'd be clever and use fake IDs. I
>GO>busted around 10 ppl, including one of my friends who thought I wouldn't
>GO>catch him out !

>Ever catch anyone trying to hack into your bbs?

Nope, though I've had a rumour from a user that someone is planning to,
so I have taken precautionery steps just in case. I'm confident in my BBS's
security though.

>GO>Silly events ? Hmm, dunno about that, maybe the BBS picnic where we had a
>GO>very small turnout at Frank Kitts Park. Oh well, it was nice to meet some
>GO>the users tho 8-)

>I remember reading the advert about your party, I was surprised you
>didn't have it in Upper Hutt. How many actually turned up?

About 7 of us I think 8-(

>GO>I still work on it regularly (I don't think I'll ever stop working on it
>GO>hehe), mainly cos I think a BBS needs to change with the times to hold
>GO>people's interest.

>I heard a rumour a while ago that you were possibly heading up to
>Auckland, any basis to that?

The rumour was true. I was contimplating it. Well I'm not moving up there
now, not just yet anyhow, but maybe in the future I will. If I was to move
I'd certainly miss the bbsing here, what's left of it anyway, cos I hear
that Auckland's BBS scene is even worse than ours.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 17 of 48                   Date: Mon 30/03/1998, 12:48 am  [E]
From: HORUS                      Read: 14 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: Runnin' a Board


GO>But getting away from the internet... I think Sysops these days just have
GO>get more involved and put more time and effort into their boards.

Interesting point. I have a theory that just popped into my head as I
was reading your reply.

Most of the sysops are possibly discovering as they get older, that
their bbs no longer gives them the stimulation it once did. Whether it
be new interests, workloads, or relationships that have taken up their
time, it may also be time for some to relinquish their bbs altogether.

One I logged onto 2-3 months ago had been down for a while. The sysop
apologised for any inconvenience but added that he hadn't checked up on
it for nearly 3 months!! Sure, its his choice to run it, but in this
case I don't see the point.

I also believe that just because a sysop chooses not to charge for
his/her board, they shouldn't use that as an excuse if people suggest
their board is failing.

It will be interesting, come next summer, to see how many of the
existing boards are still running.

GO>Look at the names of the BBS's today, and rarely do the board's content
GO>actually reflect their names.

As an aside, it dawned on me the other night that if we were to go ahead
with some form of advertising for BS, in particular, we will run into a
few problems. I don't think any newspapers would print Shitless!
We may have to advertise on the side of laxative products.

-=-
 * SLMR 2.1a *

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 18 of 48                   Date: Tue 31/03/1998, 11:47 am  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 16 times

     To: HORUS
Subject: Re: Runnin' a Board

>GO>But getting away from the internet... I think Sysops these days just have
>GO>get more involved and put more time and effort into their boards.

>Interesting point. I have a theory that just popped into my head as I
>was reading your reply.

>Most of the sysops are possibly discovering as they get older, that
>their bbs no longer gives them the stimulation it once did. Whether it
>be new interests, workloads, or relationships that have taken up their
>time, it may also be time for some to relinquish their bbs altogether.

Well as far as I'm concerned, I stil find my bbs gives me a lotta
stimulation. Probably because I'm so active with it all the time. The main
thing is that I enjoy the BBS I've created, that's why I keep working with
it.

>One I logged onto 2-3 months ago had been down for a while. The sysop
>apologised for any inconvenience but added that he hadn't checked up on
>it for nearly 3 months!! Sure, its his choice to run it, but in this
>case I don't see the point.

I know which one you mean. And I even asked the sysop myself if he was
serious about keeping his board running. Too many people create a bbs and
don't want to accept the responsibilities that go along with it.

>I also believe that just because a sysop chooses not to charge for
>his/her board, they shouldn't use that as an excuse if people suggest
>their board is failing.

Charging is at the discretion of the sysop. I myself charge because I pay
out a lot more than what I get back anyway. Charging should be no problem,
as it is up to the user whether they wish to pay for the service or not.
However, I think it's pretty lame if a sysop charges and then doesn't do
jack for the bbs later on. I know one particular sysop who is like this.

>It will be interesting, come next summer, to see how many of the
>existing boards are still running.

Well, we gotta act now. Basically we have to revive the scene between now
and next summer. If we do a good enough job, I think things will hold their
own nicely. But it won't happen by itself that's for sure.

>GO>Look at the names of the BBS's today, and rarely do the board's content
>GO>actually reflect their names.
>
>As an aside, it dawned on me the other night that if we were to go ahead
>with some form of advertising for BS, in particular, we will run into a
>few problems. I don't think any newspapers would print Shitless!
>We may have to advertise on the side of laxative products.

Easy solution - use BSA instead.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 19 of 48                   Date: Wed  1/04/1998, 11:18 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 19 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: SPARKS
Subject: Re: ansi sig competition

>>Hey it's all part of the theme of the cavern. You should learn to get
>>more into the atmosphere. You'll enjoy it more.
>
>Some how the BBS just doesn't suit me, it doesn't do anthing for me
><unlike BSA (Smile

Hey not trying to sound spiteful, but what does the BSA have that my
board doesn't ?

Let me outline a few things I have done for my BBS...

* Portal of Destiny - Theme changer in ANSI/RIP/JPG+WAV !
* The Tunnels - Like little websites arranged in logical order
* 4 CDroms online
* Role Playing story online
* Heaps of doors, including a space invaders and pac man type games
* Huge Spice Girls File Base - Over 450 files
* Large Mod archive - 26 file bases
* Large Midi archive, over 300 mids (that's just 0-B , still getting more!)
* Sysop chats often with users ! (not many of those these days)
* GLA_NET - 102 echo areas, and Inter BBS BRE and Falcon's Eye (soon
  interbbs Lord as well)

So I find it saddening that my BBS doesn't do anything for you. Please do
tell me what my board is lacking that BSA is excelling in and I will make
some adjustments. For the moment tho, I'm stumped.

Btw, the theme of the BBS that I have doesn't mean there isn't any un-goblin
related chatter, cos there's heaps.

Signed,
A very distraught Gollum

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 20 of 48                   Date: Fri  3/04/1998,  7:51 am  [E]
From: SPARKS                     Read: 19 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: Re: ansi sig competition

>Hey not trying to sound spiteful, but what does the BSA have that my
>board doesn't ?
>
>Let me outline a few things I have done for my BBS...
>
>* Portal of Destiny - Theme changer in ANSI/RIP/JPG+WAV !
>* The Tunnels - Like little websites arranged in logical order
>* 4 CDroms online
>* Role Playing story online
>* Heaps of doors, including a space invaders and pac man type games
>* Huge Spice Girls File Base - Over 450 files
>* Large Mod archive - 26 file bases
>* Large Midi archive, over 300 mids (that's just 0-B , still getting more!)
>* Sysop chats often with users ! (not many of those these days)
>* GLA_NET - 102 echo areas, and Inter BBS BRE and Falcon's Eye (soon
>  interbbs Lord as well)
>
>So I find it saddening that my BBS doesn't do anything for you. Please do
>tell me what my board is lacking that BSA is excelling in and I will make
>some adjustments. For the moment tho, I'm stumped.

You don't have a Sysop like AIMEE, <oooooooooch, my harddisk, silence,
arggggggggg, what happened..... PHEUW, hehe, auto powerdown hehe>
and You don't have users that post morning and afternoon, like on BSA, there
are always messages to read.
>
>Btw, the theme of the BBS that I have doesn't mean there isn't any un-goblin
>related chatter, cos there's heaps.
>
>Signed,
>A very distraught Gollum
Reply
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 21 of 48                   Date: Fri  3/04/1998,  9:20 am  [E]

From: GOLLUM                     Read: 21 times

     To: SPARKS
Subject: Re: ansi sig competition

>You don't have a Sysop like AIMEE, <oooooooooch, my harddisk, silence,

What do you mean sysop like Aimee ? No there's no female sysops on my
bbs. but what exactly do you mean by sysops like Aim‚e ? I chat often with
my users, I put in contant work to make my bbs better all the time, and I
have helped other sysops setup their BBS's. Is that not the kind of Sysop
users want ?

I mean c'mon, gimme a break, the majority of sysops these days are lazy
buggers, don't chat to their users and rarely do any work on their
boards.

>arggggggggg, what happened..... PHEUW, hehe, auto powerdown hehe>
>and You don't have users that post morning and afternoon, like on BSA, there
>are always messages to read.

Where have you been ? There are users who post morning afternoon and
night on my BBS ! My BBS has one of the most active message turnovers in the
BBS scene.

I honestly can't see where you're coming from, and I think it's an insult to
all my hard work to hear all this from you.

Also, just wondering why you'd say that when I remember you were interested
in joining up as a paid member at one stage.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 22 of 48                   Date: Sun  5/04/1998,  2:35 pm  [E]
From: GURU                       Read: 19 times

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: The Cavern

 Go> Hey not trying to sound spiteful, but what does the BSA have that my
 Go> board doesn't ?

To put it bluntly, people. XLNC, Ras, Horus, Aimee (when she wakes up),
Zosi, even The Flash in small doses. The people regularly (not
as in 'every few days', rather 'every time they log on' eh XLNC?)
leave interesting messages where you can actually discuss interesting
things without your usual plethora of one-line replies. Sparks and
Bloodsword are seem to wander between lamersville and something
representing a small glimmer of intelligence. Oh, don't want to leave you
off the list eh?   Smile
  On the Cavern, I find myself talking with you OK, and trying to be as
polite as possible with replies to my messages like
  'fuck you suck. You don't know anything'.
  Viz. Chris wazzisname's posts, tho I've been baiting him for those
posts   Smile

  I log onto BS to chat with mates and argue about things that interested.
Its a real effort to do that on the Cavern...

 Go> Let me outline a few things I have done for my BBS...

 Go> * Portal of Destiny - Theme changer in ANSI/RIP/JPG+WAV !

I havn't played with this for a while. Should give it another spin...  Smile

 Go> * The Tunnels - Like little websites arranged in logical order

Good idea, but I wouldn't use it for messages. Too time-consuming to
search them all... For filebases its wonderful.

 Go> * 4 CDroms online
 Go> * Role Playing story online
 Go> * Heaps of doors, including a space invaders and pac man type games

Who gives a snot about doors? In the past I have specifically avoided
BBSs that advertise as having 'heaps of Doors', because usually
they involve a slack-arse sysop and lots of lamers. Of course there
are exceptions (eg. your BBS Smile but for me thats not a selling point  <g>

 Go> * Huge Spice Girls File Base - Over 450 files
 Go> * Large Mod archive - 26 file bases
 Go> * Large Midi archive, over 300 mids (that's just 0-B , still getting

Yeah, but MIDIs suck and then some. You should realise that if you
listen to and write your own MODs. I'd rather listen to Wannabe on
continuous play for a year than to a 'Large Midi archive'...

 Go> more!) * Sysop chats often with users ! (not many of those these days)
 Go> * GLA_NET - 102 echo areas, and Inter BBS BRE and Falcon's Eye (soon
 Go> interbbs Lord as well)
 Go> So I find it saddening that my BBS doesn't do anything for you. Please
 Go> do tell me what my board is lacking that BSA is excelling in and I will
 Go> make some adjustments. For the moment tho, I'm stumped.

Please don't take offence at what I've said, I'm just being honest and
not being tactful OK   Smile
-=- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 23 of 48                   Date: Tue  6/01/1998, 12:31 pm  [E]
From: GURU                       Read: 32 times

     To: MIDUS                   Fwd From: *ShitLink:  PC Buy, Sell, Problems
Subject: Re: BBS

>Well i've got bout 14 doors 24 file areas and about ummmm 24 message ares
>(with mor coming!!)

Ugh. You don't listen, do you? What is different about your BBS from all the
other ones that offer X doors, Y file areas, and Z message areas?
  I'll give you some examples. This BBS has an emphasis on messaging. The
idea is to pop in, have a chat with friends. The sysop (Aimee) runs a Pub
Nite every Friday for people to meet (in person! *gasp*) and chat...
  Gollum's Cavern has a whole lot of themes (from Spice Girls to Star Wars
last time I logged on there). The sysop (Gollum) puts a lot of time into
making the BBS look different from other BBSs around the place, and is (as
far as I know) the first person in Wellington to make use of RIPterm's
ability to play WAVs and display JPGs in order to make his BBS ever more
different.
  Slyrp BBS, tho its in a bit of a recession at the mo  <grin>  advertised
as a "BBS for teenagers". The idea was that you could pretty much do what
you want. There weren't many files, just lots of messages and doors for chat
and competition. The sysop (Slyrp) set up a DOOM II ladder to encourage
people to log on and compete with one another...
  42 BBS has an emphasis on programming. This is reflected in the message
areas, and files provided include programming tools, languages, code
snipets, etc...

You get the idea? These BBSs are _different_ from ye olde standard "I've got
a BBS". Obviously I can't stop you from creating an XYZ BBS, I can encourage
you to try and think a little about why people might want to use your BBS.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 24 of 48                   Date: Mon 11/05/1998,  5:16 pm  [E]
From: HORUS                      Read: 27 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: *ShitLink:  Chat to Other Boards   
Subject: New logon?

I tried logging onto Lawless the other night, but my name wasn't
recognized. Has this happened to anyone else? And if so, were you like
me, one of the few people that had actually paid the membership fee?

If this is just something that happens when the sysop changes his bbs
operating program, then no problem, but if not, I consider it bad form.
-=-
 * SLMR 2.1a *

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 25 of 48                   Date: Fri 17/07/1998, 12:26 pm  [E]
From: GURU                       Read: 21 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :      Hard Copy's BBS Secrets!    
Subject: True colors revealed

This is a message posted on Gollum's Cavern, which I thought people here
might appreciate aswell   Smile    Bring on the olde BBS debate!



-------------------

>Apparently it's been said from some Auckland sysop that our boards suck
>compared to theirs.
>
>Let's prove em wrong ! 8-)

I hate to say it but no offence here but I think that person would be
right. Lets take your bbs for example. I have a 1440 and it took over 2
mins to get to your main menu after going through all the screen loads of
stuff. All I wanted to do was download 2 gif files but I couldn't do that
till I uploaded so I did only to have your virus checker lock up and your
bbs to lock up. Tonight I tried to log in to mail you about the problem.
All your bbs did was to ring and ring without a connect. Board Shitless is
yet another bbs that needs tiding up. I had trouble there 3 months ago
where I couldn't use the call back thing so I mailed the sysop and to this
day no reply and no access. She says her bbs is a friendly bbs. I have yet
to see that. Down here in Wellinton bbs come and go and yet when they close
the sysops make no attemp to contact anyone to say they have closed.
Mundens Bar is another. After seeing that I didn't have much access untill
I paid him some dollars, I did so to a PO Box or address I can't remember
off hand but he  got my cheque with my address on it and yet he closed his
bbs and I haven't had any postal mail from him.  If you sysops really want
to improve things make sure that you look after you users and maintain your
bbses. I for one have only started to bbs this year after much
encouragement from mates only to be disappointed with many bbses and the
rudeness of those who run them.  Under world bbs run by a 15 year punk
called Hayen Kirk told me to fuck off when I complained to him that I
couldn't get onto his bbs due to the fact he was using the line to play
personal modem games. Lawless BBS will only allow you to have files if you
message. The more you message the more access you have to files. Only thing
is he has no files to give his users and hasn't done so now for weeks. I
will as soon as I can afford it jion up and log the internet and leave
behind the local bbses.  I feel sorry for those bbses  like Marks BBS who I
have found to be a really nice sysop one of few that those who don't seen
to care are giving all bbses a bad name.  This bbses have a another good
bbs too.  I really get the feeling that alot of boys yes boys cos thats how
old they are start a bbs for either a quick buck or porno or files and then
close down when they have what they want. Again I truly mean no offence
here but merely am expressing an opinion as a new comer to this type of
communication. I have yet to see an accurate up to date bbs list. I have
over a last few months downloaded where I can bbs list most bsaXXX.zips
only to see that bbses which have either closed or not anwsering being
listed.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 26 of 48                   Date: Mon 20/07/1998, 11:30 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 15 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :      Board Shitless Visitor Info 
Subject: Nice changes

I'd like to give my feedback on the changes of BSA, I reckon it's lookin
damn fine good stuff Aim‚e and to everyone else responsible.
I've been making some changes to my board as well which I'll explain in my
next message.

Long live the BSA !

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 27 of 48                   Date: Mon 20/07/1998, 11:51 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 13 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :      Board Shitless Visitor Info 
Subject: Moving to Auckland...

Well after all that, time to mention other news. I'm planning to move up to
Auckland by the end of this year and the cavern will be moving up with me.
To early to say goodbyes yet but just wanna let u all know you're a great
bunch and I'd like to keep in touch with u lot. I'll keep GLA_NET running so
u can post to me through that, or I might even consider joining up with
Shitlink.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 28 of 48                   Date: Thu 13/08/1998,  9:20 pm  [E]
From: XLNC                       Read: 14 times

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: Re: Ansis

>Aim‚e, who did your ansis, or did u get them from a library ? They're very
>nice indeed 8-)


I really must stop my dyslexia from muddling up the Word ansis... it
really makes for some surprising reading before I re read it..

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 29 of 48                   Date: Fri 14/08/1998,  4:35 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 13 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: Re: Ansis

>Aim‚e, who did your ansis, or did u get them from a library ? They're very
>nice indeed 8-)

I got them from the internet :>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 30 of 48                   Date: Fri 14/08/1998,  5:12 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 13 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Ansis

>>Aim‚e, who did your ansis, or did u get them from a library ? They're very
>>nice indeed 8-)
>
>I got them from the internet :>

Good on ya, they look good for the board. i think the best one is the one
for the chat menu, it suits u to a tea, or coffee I should say 8-)

So when the hell u gunna ring my board anyways fluffykins ? 8-)

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 31 of 48                   Date: Sat 15/08/1998, 10:45 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 13 times  [1 Reply]

     To: aimee
Subject: New ansi for your BBS

Hello Aim‚e. Since u replaced just about all of the other ansis, I decided
to make you one myself for one u haven't replaced - a login ansi. Now I know
that you really like the one u have but if u like this one too, would u
consider putting it on a swap batch file that rotates between the two ?

Anyways... here it is, hope u like it...

Press enter lots 8-)



















ÜÜÛÛÛÛÜÜÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  Aim‚e Wi
nnÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛandÛÛÛÛÛß ÜÜÜÜÜ ßßÛÛß ÜÜÜÜÜ ß
ßÛÛÛBitzen the catÛÛÛÛÛÝ ß ÜÜÜ ßÛÜß Üß ÜÜÜ ßßÛ Û
ÛÛÞÛÛÛÛÛÛ ßß Ü ß ÛÛÛÛÛ ß Ü ßß ÛÛ ÛÛÛW
elcome you toÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ÛÛßßßßßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßßßßÛÛ ÜÛÛÛÛÝÛÛÛÛÛÛÝ ß  ßßÛÜ ÛÛÛßß  
ßÛÜ ÛÞÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÛÜúþ ß ÛÛÛ ÛÜ þ 
ß Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ  ÛßÜ oardÛÛÛÛÛÛÝ Ü ßß ÜÛÛ ÛÛÜ ßß ÜÛÛ Û
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÛÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÝÞÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÝÞÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÝÞÛÛÛÛÛ ßßß ÛÛÛÛ
ÛÛÝÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÜßßÞÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛÛßßßßßßßßßßÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ   ßÜ hitless
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛßÜÛÛÝ ßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ   ÜÜ  ÜÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ 
  ÛÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÛÛß   ÜÛÛÛÛÛÛß    ÝßÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜßÞÛÛÛÛ  ßßÛÛÛÛÛÛßÛÛÛÛÛÝ
Þ ÜÛßßÛÛßßÛÛÜ ÝÛÝÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÛÛÝÜßß úþ  þú 
ß ßÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÄÄÞÝ   Ü ß ÜÞÝÄÄÜÛ
ÛÛÛÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÜ   ÄÄ ßÜ   ßßßÜß ÄÄÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ
ßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÛÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÛÛAnsi by GollumÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜßÛÛÝÞ
ÛÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ  ÜÛßßßÛÛÜ
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 32 of 48                   Date: Tue 18/08/1998,  1:20 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 13 times

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: Re: Ansis

>>At the moment I'm still trying to nutt out SL5.  Every time I change
>>something in the config it changes itself back again. 8(
>
>That's weird... ok brainstorm here....
>* Is the slbbs variable set to the correct path ?
>* If u press esc too many times, you'll miss the yes/no prompt to save menus
>* are any of your config files read only ?
>* Is it possible you're configging another copy of sl which isn't used for
>  the actual BBS ?

Ok Sherlock.  Try this one on for size and you'll see what I'm up against.

I changed the modem string to s0=4 yesterday, instead of s0=6, and every
time I went back into the config it was 6 again.  I used the Windoze config,
the Dos config, Telemate to change the modem string, and running it straight
from dos without Windows in the way.  It *always* changes itself to 6 again.
Same with any other changes I try to make as well.  It always defaults back
to how it was before.

In the SL Support echo on searchlight.com there are about 1600 messages
(current), all with headers of "bad command or file name?!" discussing this,
and other problems.  Frank La Loser says that it's how it was designed.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 33 of 48                   Date: Tue 18/08/1998,  1:24 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 13 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GOLLUM
Subject: Re: New ansi for your BBS

>Hello Aim‚e. Since u replaced just about all of the other ansis, I decided
>to make you one myself for one u haven't replaced - a login ansi. Now I know
>that you really like the one u have but if u like this one too, would u
>consider putting it on a swap batch file that rotates between the two ?
>

It's already rotating between two, so three's not a problem...

One request though... The gray cat I had (Silver) died, so could you change
it to a ginger cat with white chest instead?  :>

.. Love the cleavage though ;>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 34 of 48                   Date: Tue 18/08/1998, 11:26 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 17 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: New ansi for your BBS

>>Hello Aim‚e. Since u replaced just about all of the other ansis, I decided
>>to make you one myself for one u haven't replaced - a login ansi. Now I kno
>>that you really like the one u have but if u like this one too, would u
>>consider putting it on a swap batch file that rotates between the two ?
>>
>
>It's already rotating between two, so three's not a problem...

Yippeee ! 8-)
>
>One request though... The gray cat I had (Silver) died, so could you change
>it to a ginger cat with white chest instead?  :>
>
Indeed I can, I will have it ready for u soon.

>.. Love the cleavage though ;>

(Gollum knows where to get extra marks 8-) ) hehe thought u would hehe.

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 35 of 48                   Date: Tue 18/08/1998, 11:38 pm  [E]
From: GOLLUM                     Read: 16 times

     To: aimee
Subject: new login screen

ÜÜÛÛÛÛÜÜÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  Aim‚e Wi
nnÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛandÛÛÛÛÛß ÜÜÜÜÜ ßßÛÛß ÜÜÜÜÜ ß
ßÛÛÛBitzen the catÛÛÛÛÛÝ ß ÜÜÜ ßÛÜß Üß ÜÜÜ ßßÛ Û
ÛÛÞÛÛÛÛÛÛ ßß Ü ß ÛÛÛÛÛ ß Ü ßß ÛÛ ÛÛÛW
elcome you toÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ÛÛßßßßßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßßßßÛÛ ÜÛÛÛÛÝÛÛÛÛÛÛÝ ß  ßßÛÜ ÛÛÛßß  
ßÛÜ ÛÞÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÛÜúþ ß ÛÛÛ ÛÜ þ 
ß Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ  ÛßÜ oardÛÛÛÛÛÛÝ Ü ßß ÜÛÛ ÛÛÜ ßß ÜÛÛ Û
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÛÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÝÞÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÝÞÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÝÞÛÛÛÛÛ ßßß ÛÛÛÛ
ÛÛÝÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÜßßÞÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛÛßßßßßßßßßßÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ   ßÜ hitless
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛßÜÛÛÝ ßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ   ÜÜ  ÜÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ   ÛÛÜ
ÜÜÜÜÜÛÛß   ÜÛÛÛÛÛÛß    ÝßÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜ  ÜßÞÛÛÛÛ  ßßÛÛÛÛÛÛßÛÛÛÛÛÝ
Þ ÜÛÛßÛÛß ÛÛÜ ÝÛÝÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÛÛÝÜÛÛ
 úþ  þúÛÛÛÛÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÄÄÞÛÛ
  Ü ß ÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÝÄÄÜÛÛÛÛÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÜ   
ÄÄ ßÛÛÛÛÜÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛß ÄÄÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜßÛÛ
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛAnsi by GollumÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜßÛÛ ÛÛÛßÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ  ÜÛ²²²²²²²²²²²ÛÜ

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 36 of 48                   Date: Wed 23/12/1998, 10:27 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE WINN                 Read: 58 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :IMPORTANT information about the BB
Subject: New Board!

INTERESTING TIMESINTERESTING TIMESINTERESTING TIMESINTERESTING TIMES 04 5670706
INT CALL INTERESTING TIMES BBS TODAY!!! STING TIMESINTERESTING TIMES 04 5670706
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INTERESTING TIMESINÛÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÛSINTEREST STANDING BBS IS STILL ALIVE  5670706
INTERESTING TIMESINTEßÛÛÛÜÜÜÛÛÛMESINTEREST AND WELL!!! CALL TODAY!!! 04 5670706
INTERESTING TIMESÜÜÜÜßßßÛÜÜÜÛßß ÜÜÜÜÜERESTING TIMESINTERESTING TIMES 04 5670706
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INTERESTING ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ßÛÜ ÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜTI OPEN 24 HOURS, 7 DAYS A  04 5670706
INTERESTINÜÛÛÛÛÛßÛÛÛÛÛÛ  ÛÜß ÛÛÛÛÛÛßÛÛÛÛÛÜI WEEK, 365 DAYS PER YEAR! 04 5670706
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I SYSOP: ELEPHANT NÜ             ÜINTERES CD!!! MESINTERESTING TIMES 04 5670706
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 37 of 48                   Date: Mon  8/02/1999, 10:06 pm  [E]
From: LINT                       Read: 25 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :    Weird occurrences from Zosimos
Subject: Re: Ever think..

>So I guess there have been heaps of changes....  I'm having a mid-life
>crisis !!!!   hehe...

Yes, BBS's have a lot to answer for.. before I used BBS' I never had a beer
pot, I could hold my head up high in public and say that I had never slept
in a slide at a playground, passed out in a local park, or done wheelspins
on a commodore 16. going to a BBQ used to mean a nice quiet outing, now it
means tree climbing, the food count has to be lower than the beer count,
atleast 1 person has to pass out, atleast one person has to injure
themselves on the childrens playground, and afterwards it is compulsary to
go to burger king to plant a gherkin slice in ther whirlitzer....
Either that or I used to hang out with the wrong BBS crowd Smile
Reply
#5
BBSCMNTSMsg # 38 of 48                   Date: Tue  9/02/1999,  1:20 pm  [E]

From: AIMEE                      Read: 26 times

     To: LINT                    Fwd From: :    Weird occurrences from Zosimos
Subject: Re: Ever think..

>>So I guess there have been heaps of changes....  I'm having a mid-life
>>crisis !!!!   hehe...
>
>Yes, BBS's have a lot to answer for.. before I used BBS' I never had a beer
>pot, I could hold my head up high in public and say that I had never slept
>in a slide at a playground, passed out in a local park, or done wheelspins
>on a commodore 16. going to a BBQ used to mean a nice quiet outing, now it
>means tree climbing, the food count has to be lower than the beer count,
>atleast 1 person has to pass out, atleast one person has to injure
>themselves on the childrens playground, and afterwards it is compulsary to
>go to burger king to plant a gherkin slice in ther whirlitzer....
>Either that or I used to hang out with the wrong BBS crowd Smile

Ahh... so you know Spiro and Slayer, huh?  ;>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 39 of 48                   Date: Mon  3/05/1999,  5:19 pm  [E]
From: ICE                        Read: 8 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: : Dunce's Corner - for the outcasts
Subject: Re: bsa listing

>>>I just downloaded the most recent BBS List you have and tried to convert i
>>>for use on my old Telemate V4.12...but it won't convert, what is the file
>>>standard it is meant to be in? It's not being recongnised as either a
>>>Procom, QModem or Telix modem file...can you help here?
>>
>>Depends on where you got it from... Was it of orbital bbs? Because that is
>>100% upto dat where most others are behind...
>
>Yeah?  Could you upload it to here?  The only way I could get the recent
>list was off'v the Fidonet nodelist, and that's definately not complete!

sure =) I was playing round with some programming of mine on a bbs list door
so you just upload a txt file as well, but that aint finished =(

Message has attached file (BBSLIST.TXT, 1k). Download now?  Na  Yup   Na 
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 40 of 48                   Date: Fri  5/02/1999,  7:48 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 27 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: *ShitLink:  What's on in BBS land? 
Subject: Advert :>

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     ||                               |                   +------+
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     || intelligent conversation, and |               || 0|      |
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     ||                               |  _____________||  |      |
     || Phone: 380-0340  or 389-3223! | (_______________) -------+
     ||                               |  (             )----+ |
     || 24 hours, all speeds          |   (           )-------+
     || Membership is free!           |    (_________)
     ||                               |
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     +| history going back 8 years!   |
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BBSCMNTSMsg # 41 of 48                   Date: Fri 23/04/1999,  9:42 pm  [E]
From: J                          Read: 12 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: AIMEE WINN              Fwd From: : Dunce's Corner - for the outcasts
Subject: bsa listing

Hi there,

I just downloaded the most recent BBS List you have and tried to convert it
for use on my old Telemate V4.12...but it won't convert, what is the file
standard it is meant to be in? It's not being recongnised as either a
Procom, QModem or Telix modem file...can you help here?

Thanks a lot.

Cheers.

Jason
Smile

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 42 of 48                   Date: Sat 24/04/1999,  1:56 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 11 times

     To: J                       Fwd From: : Dunce's Corner - for the outcasts
Subject: Re: bsa listing

>I just downloaded the most recent BBS List you have and tried to convert it
>for use on my old Telemate V4.12...but it won't convert, what is the file
>standard it is meant to be in? It's not being recongnised as either a
>Procom, QModem or Telix modem file...can you help here?

Uh... it's a text file :>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 43 of 48                   Date: Sat 24/04/1999,  5:52 pm  [E]
From: ICE                        Read: 12 times  [1 Reply]

     To: J                       Fwd From: : Dunce's Corner - for the outcasts
Subject: Re: bsa listing

>Hi there,
>
>I just downloaded the most recent BBS List you have and tried to convert it
>for use on my old Telemate V4.12...but it won't convert, what is the file
>standard it is meant to be in? It's not being recongnised as either a
>Procom, QModem or Telix modem file...can you help here?
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Jason
>Smile

Depends on where you got it from... Was it of orbital bbs? Because that is
100% upto dat where most others are behind...

As for converting it, i tried the same and failed, had to do it be hand (yay
i hear you cry Wink ) but yeah i tried telix and tm (im using tm) and neither
or worked Sad

cya

ice

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 44 of 48                   Date: Wed 28/04/1999,  1:09 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 11 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ICE                     Fwd From: : Dunce's Corner - for the outcasts
Subject: Re: bsa listing

>>I just downloaded the most recent BBS List you have and tried to convert it
>>for use on my old Telemate V4.12...but it won't convert, what is the file
>>standard it is meant to be in? It's not being recongnised as either a
>>Procom, QModem or Telix modem file...can you help here?
>
>Depends on where you got it from... Was it of orbital bbs? Because that is
>100% upto dat where most others are behind...

Yeah?  Could you upload it to here?  The only way I could get the recent
list was off'v the Fidonet nodelist, and that's definately not complete!

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 45 of 48                   Date: Mon  3/05/1999,  5:19 pm  [E]
From: ICE                        Read: 9 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: : Dunce's Corner - for the outcasts
Subject: Re: bsa listing

>>>I just downloaded the most recent BBS List you have and tried to convert i
>>>for use on my old Telemate V4.12...but it won't convert, what is the file
>>>standard it is meant to be in? It's not being recongnised as either a
>>>Procom, QModem or Telix modem file...can you help here?
>>
>>Depends on where you got it from... Was it of orbital bbs? Because that is
>>100% upto dat where most others are behind...
>
>Yeah?  Could you upload it to here?  The only way I could get the recent
>list was off'v the Fidonet nodelist, and that's definately not complete!

sure =) I was playing round with some programming of mine on a bbs list door
so you just upload a txt file as well, but that aint finished =(

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 46 of 48                   Date: Thu 12/02/1998,  2:30 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 26 times

     To: GOLLUM                  Fwd From: :          Gripes and Praises      
Subject: Re: Visiting Sysop Access Sysops

>What I *REALLY* hate is how some users make their own BBS just so they can
>get visiting sysop access on the other boards.

I always thought it was cute... specially the crying when you take away the
access after logging into their boards ;>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 47 of 48                   Date: Thu 12/02/1998,  2:31 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 25 times

     To: GURU                    Fwd From: :          Gripes and Praises      
Subject: Re: Visiting Sysop Access Sys

> Go> What I *REALLY* hate is how some users make their own BBS just so they
> Go> can get visiting sysop access on the other boards.
>
>What I don't understand is why visiting sysops get higer access than normal
>users.

Mates' rates :>  It means that people like me, who do things like BBS lists,
don't shell out $20 per year for every single board they log on to, and they
don't have to shell out for mine.  Unless they're idiots, of course :>

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BBSCMNTSMsg # 48 of 48                   Date: Tue  1/06/1999,  3:06 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 5 times

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