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RTFM: PC Buy, Sell, Problems
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RTFMMsg # 1 of 30                    Date: Tue  4/02/1997, 10:24 pm  [E]

From: GURU                       Read: 70 times

     To: All                     Fwd From: :       Lou & Skumo's Helpline     
Subject: Offline mail

  OK, this may be useful for anyone new to BBSing or computers... welcome to
the concept of _offline_mail_! This wonderful thing allows you to read and
reply to messages in your own time - meaning that other people can log onto
the BBS and you don't have to wory about running out of time   Smile

  Basically, what you'll need is an "Offline Mail Reader" - there's on in
the Files section of this BBS (if you can get there) called SLMR (its
SLMR20.ZIP in the BOARDS area), otherwise you'll have to get one from
another BBS (the two that I know are SLMR and BLUEWAVE, and they're
available on just about every second BBS you phone Smile

  Then you go to the (M)essages menu, and select (V)alence offline mail
option... you might need to do some setting up and select the message areas
you want to read. Then select (D)ownload, and you'll end up downloading a
file called BSA01.QWK. This is your mail packet.

  Now log off the BBS, and load up your offline mail reader. Open the mail
packet (BSA01.QWK), and follow instructions to read and reply to messages.
When you've finished, a file called BSA.REP (or something similar) will be
created. What you have to do now is log onto the BBS, go to the (V)alence
menu again, and select (U)pload to upload the BSA.REP packet to the BBS.
Thats all there is to it  Smile

Guru (hope this was vaguely useful to someone Smile

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RTFMMsg # 2 of 30                    Date: Sat 24/05/1997, 12:35 am  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 43 times

     To: XLNC                    Fwd From: :     Subconscious Yearnings...    
Subject: Re: XLNC tries Bwave.

>Hmm just trying my hand at BlueWave offline reader...
>Tell me Rasputin can u set it up to show the ansi colours like it does
>in SL. I cant seem to set it up to show any. It either gives me Esc codes or
>the \lm type codes.
actually, I forgot the answer to that, tho Aim‚e could probably answer
that one...

>... DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename"...
When a windoze box pops up saying:
     ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
     ³           Terrible Error             ³±
     ³         Everything Trashed           ³±
     ³             ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿               ³±
     ³             ³   OK   ³               ³±
     ³             ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ               ³±
     ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ±
      ±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±±

Why isn't there ever a button saying:
                   ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
                   ³ Not OK ³
                   ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ   ?

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RTFMMsg # 3 of 30                    Date: Tue  8/07/1997,  2:17 am  [E]
From: DETH                       Read: 30 times

     To: All
Subject: How to fix a HD.


  Well, I was sitting at my computer whilst I was up in Auckland, and my
friend who was training me at the time called me away to grab some Jolt and
a No-doz (This was around breakfast, and was the standard pick-me-down while
I was up there.)  So, silly me, I leave my comuter running <shock!  Horror!>
Windows '95.  I come back, and it's gone all blue.  With a error message.
'Hmm'  thinks I 'Better shut her down and reboot'.  So I do, and it
doesn't...

  'Yipes!' was -one- of the more polite thoughts that went through my head
at this stage.  I thought about it, realised that the HD was making some
noise that I hadn't heard before (Very close to inaudible) and decided that
it must be the HD.  'No wokking furries' say I, thinking that the BIOS is
all that I'll need to hit to find my HD again.

  Wrong.  The BIOS couldn't find it, my normal drivers couldn't find it, and
after trying to -force- the BIOS into believing that here was a 3.2 Gb HD
attached fairly fundamentally to the motherboard the HD started making an
almost musical 'sapnging' noise.  I was -not- impressed.  I don't like
having my HD melt when I'm not looking, it sets a bad precedent.  Now, I
have a 2 year warranty on Dreadlock, so I'm not to worried about it.  Then I
realise that if I don't fix it, I'm going to be in auckland without a
computer to distract me from the fact.  With this thought in mind, I fall
back to general principles:  'It's screwed anyway, whatever I do is hardly
going to make it worse.  Lets find the biggest fraggin' hammer I can.'

  One tap from a 8lb sledgie, and the HD starts working.  I -love- it when
brute force and ignorance carry the day Smile

Deth (Lesse:  Soldering iron, duct-tape, multi-fool and hammer =
      comprehensive repair kit Smile

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RTFMMsg # 4 of 30                    Date: Tue  8/07/1997,  3:46 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 26 times

     To: DETH
Subject: Re: How to fix a HD.

>  One tap from a 8lb sledgie, and the HD starts working.  I -love- it when
>brute force and ignorance carry the day Smile
>
>Deth (Lesse:  Soldering iron, duct-tape, multi-fool and hammer =
>      comprehensive repair kit Smile

I had a scare last night... I went to bed at 7pm (no surprise as I'd been up
for about 30 hours already) and set up my VCR to tape the nights programs.
As I'm a technogeek, I couldn't get it to record, as usual, and put the
remote by the bed and set the alarm clock for when I had to change channels
and tape again (I do this a lot ;>).  I started the taping, then thought,
no.. It's the wrong channel, so tried to stop it.  The remote didn't work.
AGAIN!

Usually what fixes this is to change the batteries around.  So I did this.
Then I tried the other fail-safe of whacking the remote against something
solid.  This didn't work again.

I ended up looking at the damn thing from all angles to find out how to open
it.  I've never managed to work out how, so I got the letter opener (I've
got a hardware store beside my bed for such emergencies) and actually
managed to open it!

I twiddled, bent a few things, and nothing worked.  I banged it a couple
more times.  I used fresh batteries.  Nothing worked.

I put in the batteries the wrong way in, thinking to myself "What the hell..
this'll never work, but of course, humans do really stupid things.  Could
work.  I'm bloody kidding myself." and heard a *ping!*

Eek!  Oh well.. I put the batteries in how they should have been, and it
worked!  heheheheheehhehe

Will wonders never cease :>

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RTFMMsg # 5 of 30                    Date: Wed  6/08/1997,  9:32 pm  [E]
From: XLNC                       Read: 46 times

     To: All                     Fwd From:                                    
Subject: A few helpful things for DOS...

Heres a few things that may help some of u...

If u use EDIT or QBASIC or HELP....

1: EDIT.... I got a little sick of going into EDIT and opening files
   only to be faced with *.TXT in the file select space.
   Rather than typing in *.* every time I use EDIT, I found U can
   change the program to list All files when u go into it...
   You just edit QBASIC.COM in your dos dir with a HEX editor
   (Xtree has 1 built in) and search for "*.TXT"
   (At Hex position h2DC70 or thereabouts...)
   And replace it with *.* (And 2 Nul Characters....)
   (Confused... if u r, dont try it then)
   Or look for hex 2A 2E 74 78 74 and replace it with
               hex 2A 2E 2A 00 00.


2: EDIT, QUICKBASIC & HELP all use the Quickbasic prog. All 3 can be
viewed in a 50 line high text mode which is far better for working
on thos big batch files, Qbasic things, or seeing all info on a
HELP Doscommand....

All u need 2 do Is... Type HELP/h or QBASIC/h or EDIT/h.
Better yet.. If u have a directory like I have called BATCH.
then put Batch in your Path command in Autoexec.bat then...
Write a batch file for each like this...
@QBASIC/h %1 %2 %3
and call this one QBASIC.BAT (Same for EDIT and HELP)

Then whenever you go EDIT Autoexec.bat or HELP DIR you get more info
lines on the screen.

And If u dont use these 3, or dont care. I dont care either!

                ---=== X.L.N.C wuz here ===---

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RTFMMsg # 6 of 30                    Date: Mon 24/08/1998,  5:17 pm  [E]
From: SPARKS                     Read: 15 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All
Subject: Pentium Chips

Does _ANYONE_ have a spare pentium chip, it doesn't have to even be a P-100
or anything.  All I want is to run some diagnostics on these two 'dud'
mother boards.  One has dry joints and the other has a hairline crack.
All I want to do is to see if I can right the wrong and know if it is worth
buying a chip.

_ANYONE_ out there?  or atleast a kind _ONE_ please!
It's no fair that Aimee gets a P board! I have two dammit, but I ant got no
chips.....

Please! <Beg, Whine, Snuffle>

Sparks

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RTFMMsg # 7 of 30                    Date: Wed 26/08/1998, 11:31 pm  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 12 times  [1 Reply]

     To: SPARKS
Subject: Re: Pentium Chips

>Does _ANYONE_ have a spare pentium chip, it doesn't have to even be a P-100
>or anything.  All I want is to run some diagnostics on these two 'dud'
>mother boards.  One has dry joints and the other has a hairline crack.
>All I want to do is to see if I can right the wrong and know if it is worth
>buying a chip.
>
>_ANYONE_ out there?  or atleast a kind _ONE_ please!
>It's no fair that Aimee gets a P board! I have two dammit, but I ant got no
>chips.....
>
>Please! <Beg, Whine, Snuffle>

Its not really a could thing to fire up a motherboard with a crack in it!
Remember these things are multilevel PCB's, you can't just solder them up.


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RTFMMsg # 8 of 30                    Date: Thu 27/08/1998,  5:10 pm  [E]
From: SPARKS                     Read: 21 times

     To: ZOSIMOS
Subject: Re: Pentium Chips

>>Does _ANYONE_ have a spare pentium chip, it doesn't have to even be a P-100
>>or anything.  All I want is to run some diagnostics on these two 'dud'
>>mother boards.  One has dry joints and the other has a hairline crack.
>>All I want to do is to see if I can right the wrong and know if it is worth
>>buying a chip.
>>
>>_ANYONE_ out there?  or atleast a kind _ONE_ please!
>>It's no fair that Aimee gets a P board! I have two dammit, but I ant got no
>>chips.....
>>
>>Please! <Beg, Whine, Snuffle>
>
>Its not really a could thing to fire up a motherboard with a crack in it!
>Remember these things are multilevel PCB's, you can't just solder them up.
>

I said a hairline crack not the _GRAND CANYONS_!!!!!!  If you bend it one
way, it works and if you let it straighten out then it refuses to work )-:
Anyway, with a couple of washers between the motherboard and the spacers and
the cpu case, it should sort things right.....

Sparqz!  (Incase u all wonderin if this is still sparks, then u r
right.....)

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RTFMMsg # 9 of 30                    Date: Fri 18/09/1998,  6:18 pm  [E]
From: RASPUTIN                   Read: 15 times

     To: GURU
Subject: Software to modem interfacing, help

Any idea how to control a modem in C or Pascal ?

I want to use a Caller_ID capable modem, for a PC based Caller display.
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RTFMMsg # 10 of 30                   Date: Thu 12/11/1998,  5:57 pm  [E]

From: AYMERS                     Read: 13 times

     To: RAS
Subject: Re: modem programming

>>>Have you controlled a modem with software before?
>>>Can you tell me how to control a modem with software?
>>>Eg. On/Off-Hook, Dial, get/set_S-Registers, (CID info).
>>
>>Isn't it as simple as input outputting to a rs232 or did I miss
>>somthing..
>
>It probably is. In DOS I just do something like:
>C:\> ATDT 5671234 > COM4  
>I'm wondering what format the CallerID info is in.
>If I had a CID_Modem I'd read the manual (Ha) and watch terminal screen.
>

I've got a wee program called AT.exe(com?) that does AT commands at the dos
prompt.. but then you could always just do what I do to test out the
modems...

Echo ath1 > com1

Easy enuff?  :>

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RTFMMsg # 11 of 30                   Date: Mon 11/01/1999,  1:04 am  [E]
From: GURU                       Read: 17 times

     To: All
Subject: Ahhh... umm...

Here's what I want to do... generate a tonne (looking at ~2.5 megs at the
moment) of images, string them together, and play them back as an animation.
I want that animation to end up on a video... you know, one of those big
black things that says PAL on it that you record your favourite TV
programmes on.

  I'm going to need a device for connecting a computer (VGA/SVGA graphics
adapter) to a video (RF signal, or some newer videos have a really weird
type of plug aswell). Anyone know where I can get such a device, how much it
would cost to borrow/hire/buy? Whats the resolution of a TV signal, number
of frames/second, etc that I need to generate?

  Thanks Pipes, Ras, for saying you'll test the memory problem I had... that
exact problem I solved a different way but I'm going to leave this baby
running tonight and it'll prolly crash and then I'll UL some stuff for you
guys to try out   Smile

  Cheers guys. Have a good night.

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RTFMMsg # 12 of 30                   Date: Sun 28/03/1999,  2:23 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 12 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GURU                    Fwd From: Here to piss off the music ppl ;> H
Subject: Re: Windows CD player

>  - 'grep' (yay UNIX commands) searches text files for things

What, you've got a problem with "For %%f in (*.*) do find "text" %%f" ? ;>

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RTFMMsg # 13 of 30                   Date: Tue  6/04/1999,  8:52 pm  [E]
From: RAS                        Read: 10 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: Here to piss off the music ppl ;> H
Subject: Re: Windows CD player

>>  - 'grep' (yay UNIX commands) searches text files for things
>
>What, you've got a problem with "For %%f in (*.*) do find "text" %%f" ? ;>

Is that DOS? From prompt or in Batch file? Is it another dos enhancement?
BTW: Obfuscation award of the week to Aims.

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RTFMMsg # 14 of 30                   Date: Wed  7/04/1999, 12:27 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 10 times  [1 Reply]

     To: RAS                     Fwd From: Here to piss off the music ppl ;> H
Subject: Re: Windows CD player

>>>  - 'grep' (yay UNIX commands) searches text files for things
>>
>>What, you've got a problem with "For %%f in (*.*) do find "text" %%f" ? ;>
>
>Is that DOS? From prompt or in Batch file? Is it another dos enhancement?
>BTW: Obfuscation award of the week to Aims.

That's from the prompt... I used to use it a lot in my job, looking through
contracts to find text matches :>

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RTFMMsg # 15 of 30                   Date: Wed  7/04/1999,  4:34 pm  [E]
From: RAS                        Read: 12 times

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: Here to piss off the music ppl ;> H
Subject: Re: Windows CD player

>>>>  - 'grep' (yay UNIX commands) searches text files for things
>>>
>>>What, you've got a problem with "For %%f in (*.*) do find "text" %%f" ? ;>
>>
>>Is that DOS? From prompt or in Batch file? Is it another dos enhancement
>>BTW: Obfuscation award of the week to Aims.
>
>That's from the prompt... I used to use it a lot in my job, looking through
>contracts to find text matches :>

Bet you had an F-key macro'd with that.
Or did I see that graffitti'd in a pub you'd been drunk in,
I don't recall who was the drunk one... Does it rhyme with anything...

Doctors Note: Ras is excused from having to make sense.
Signed: Dr. Wibble (Advanced Eperimental Psychoanalytical Testing Dept.)

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RTFMMsg # 16 of 30                   Date: Fri 30/04/1999,  2:35 pm  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 6 times

     To: All
Subject: Windows 2000 Messages :>

From ComputerWorld Magazine :>


Smash forehead on keyboard to continue

Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue

Press any key to continue or any other key to quit

Press any key except ... no, No, NO, NOT THAT ONE!

Close your eyes and press escape three times

Bad command or file name!  Go stand in the corner

This will end your Windows session.  Do you want to play another game?

Windows message:  'Error saving file!  Format drive now?  (Y/Y)'

This is a message from God Gates:  'rebooting the world.  Please log off.'

To 'shut down' your system, type 'WIN'

BREAKFAST.SYS halted... Cereal port not responding

COFFEE.SYS missing... Insert cup in cup holder and press any key

File not found.  Should I fake it?  (Y/N)

Bad or missing mouse.  Spank the cat? (Y/N)

Error reading FAT record:  Try the SKINNY one?  (Y/N)

WinErr 16547:  LPT1 not found.  Use backup. (PENCIL & PAPER.SYS)

User Error:  Replace user

Windows VirusScan 1.0 - 'Windows found:  Remove it? (Y/N)'

Welcome to Microsoft's World - Your Mortgage is Past Due...

Your hard drive has been scanned and all software titles have been deleted.
The police are on the way.

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RTFMMsg # 17 of 30                   Date: Tue  6/04/1999, 11:37 pm  [E]
From: RAS                        Read: 17 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All                     Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

A paragraph from InfoTech Issue No. 387, pg. 14.
"US to probe privacy self-regulation" from Barbara Gengler.

'After a review, Trust-E determined that Microsoft had not violated
its licence, but the investigation confirmed that the technology "bug"
already acknowledged by Microsoft, did transfer hardware IDs to the
Microsoft secure server regardless of whether users chose to send this
information or not.'


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RTFMMsg # 18 of 30                   Date: Fri  9/04/1999, 10:52 pm  [E]
From: PIPES                      Read: 16 times  [1 Reply]

     To: RAS                     Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

>A paragraph from InfoTech Issue No. 387, pg. 14.
>"US to probe privacy self-regulation" from Barbara Gengler.
>
>'After a review, Trust-E determined that Microsoft had not violated
>its licence, but the investigation confirmed that the technology "bug"
>already acknowledged by Microsoft, did transfer hardware IDs to the
>Microsoft secure server regardless of whether users chose to send this
>information or not.'
>

Did you know the MS web page does that? I was busy checking it out and
found out it downloads (descreatly of course!) your regestry filez to see
what P.C your running!

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RTFMMsg # 19 of 30                   Date: Sun 11/04/1999, 11:28 pm  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 14 times  [1 Reply]

     To: PIPES                   Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

>>'After a review, Trust-E determined that Microsoft had not violated
>>its licence, but the investigation confirmed that the technology "bug"
>>already acknowledged by Microsoft, did transfer hardware IDs to the
>>Microsoft secure server regardless of whether users chose to send this
>>information or not.'
>>
>
>Did you know the MS web page does that? I was busy checking it out and
>found out it downloads (descreatly of course!) your regestry filez to see
>what P.C your running!

No it doesn't !!  The registry file is huge !!  it would take about 10-15
minutes to download the average registry file. What it does, as is the case
with most large Web sites on this Planet, is let the server know what
operating system you are running, which browser, where you are from and
what your IP address is.

Microsoft asks you if they may run a program that scans your harddrive
(registry) and looks to see if you have any software installed that they may
have upgrades to. This can only be done if you click on the "Grant" option
and even then the info contains no information about who you are, and the
info is not sent to another party or even stored in any way. Its just so
that you can see what software they have upgrades avaible for.

Tisk tisk..   and I used to be the one known as <Mulder>..  *grin*
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RTFMMsg # 20 of 30                   Date: Mon 12/04/1999, 11:09 am  [E]

From: AIMEE                      Read: 12 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

>>Did you know the MS web page does that? I was busy checking it out and
>>found out it downloads (descreatly of course!) your regestry filez to see
>>what P.C your running!
>
>No it doesn't !!  The registry file is huge !!  it would take about 10-15
>minutes to download the average registry file. What it does, as is the case
>with most large Web sites on this Planet, is let the server know what
>operating system you are running, which browser, where you are from and
>what your IP address is.

Oh come now... next you'll be telling the poor lad that wearing tinfoil on
your head doesn't keep out the alien voices, and that Santa doesn't exist!

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RTFMMsg # 21 of 30                   Date: Wed 14/04/1999,  1:04 am  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 14 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

>>>Did you know the MS web page does that? I was busy checking it out and
>>>found out it downloads (descreatly of course!) your regestry filez to see
>>>what P.C your running!
>>
>>No it doesn't !!  The registry file is huge !!  it would take about 10-15
>>minutes to download the average registry file. What it does, as is the case
>>with most large Web sites on this Planet, is let the server know what
>>operating system you are running, which browser, where you are from and
>>what your IP address is.
>
>Oh come now... next you'll be telling the poor lad that wearing tinfoil on
>your head doesn't keep out the alien voices, and that Santa doesn't exist!

Shisssshh !!  Don't spoil it for me ;>  I was saving that for 02/01/00
..you know the day after the alien invasion ...

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RTFMMsg # 22 of 30                   Date: Tue 20/04/1999, 11:34 am  [E]
From: AIMEE                      Read: 13 times  [2 Retorts]

     To: ZOSIMOS                 Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

>>>No it doesn't !!  The registry file is huge !!  it would take about 10-15
>>>minutes to download the average registry file. What it does, as is the cas
>>>with most large Web sites on this Planet, is let the server know what
>>>operating system you are running, which browser, where you are from and
>>>what your IP address is.
>>
>>Oh come now... next you'll be telling the poor lad that wearing tinfoil on
>>your head doesn't keep out the alien voices, and that Santa doesn't exist!
>
>Shisssshh !!  Don't spoil it for me ;>  I was saving that for 02/01/00
>..you know the day after the alien invasion ...

What, when they bring Elvis back?

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RTFMMsg # 23 of 30                   Date: Sat  1/05/1999,  4:28 pm  [E]
From: RAS                        Read: 13 times  [1 Reply]

     To: AIMEE                   Fwd From: :       Duh?  How come.......?     
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

>What, when they bring Elvis back?

Back? He's flatting in Naenae with Janis Joplin. It's all true!

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RTFMMsg # 24 of 30                   Date: Sat 15/05/1999,  7:30 pm  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 6 times

     To: AIMEE
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3


>>>Oh come now... next you'll be telling the poor lad that wearing tinfoil on
>>>your head doesn't keep out the alien voices, and that Santa doesn't exist!
>>
>>Shisssshh !!  Don't spoil it for me ;>  I was saving that for 02/01/00
>>..you know the day after the alien invasion ...
>
>What, when they bring Elvis back?

Yes, and a doggie bag full of pasta. Smile

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RTFMMsg # 25 of 30                   Date: Sat 15/05/1999,  7:31 pm  [E]
From: ZOSIMOS                    Read: 5 times

     To: RAS
Subject: Re: Privacy Issues with Microsoft P3

>>What, when they bring Elvis back?
>
>Back? He's flatting in Naenae with Janis Joplin. It's all true!

Its all true !  I here them singing in the wee small hours, their voices
echoing in the darkness..   "me and Bobby McGee...down at the heartbreak
hotel".....

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RTFMMsg # 26 of 30                   Date: Thu 21/05/1998,  8:58 pm  [E]
From: GURU                       Read: 24 times  [1 Reply]

     To: All                     Fwd From: :          Gripes and Praises      
Subject: A commercial thought

A wee thought occured to me the other day. I'll give a bit of
background first.

  Me and a friend, Daniel, have been toiling away for what seems like
a year but is probably only 50 or 60 hours since Friday morning
on a project for COMP305: Operating Systems. Over a series of four
projects (of which this was the third and biggest), we make alterations
and additions to an operating system called Nachos. Nachos was made
by some nice people at the University of California for exactly the
purpose Victoria University puts it to: teaching students how to
write operating systems.

  When we started, Nachos was a MIPS interpreter running on a SUN
SPARC machine under UNIX. MIPS by the way is another type of machine.
The idea is that we could take the interpreter bit away and we would
be left with an operating system that could be used for a MIPS
machine. Just this way its easier for students and cheaper for the
computer department, since they don't have to buy 50 or so MIPS
machines for the sole purpose of teaching one half-year course.

  All through this project, though our Nachos project has crashed
more times than anyone can remember, UNIX has quite happily kept
on running no problems. No crashing UNIX.

  Now this lead me to this thought: why is it that UNIX is running
away, with up to 60 or so users at a time, each user running several
programs including an editor, netscape, and their frequently crashing
project work, is able to keep running along quite happily without
dying itself in the meantime? And why is it that (I'm not exaggerating)
one time in two that I even look at Windows '95 it crashes and the
user has to press the reset button?

  Booring as this thought may sound to those of you who don't give
a stuff about operating systems, I think the answer lies elsewhere
than "oh, its because Win '95 has such and such a memory leak and
if you do x, y, and z then blah blah..." Thats not important.

  What IS important is that Windows '95 is made by Microsoft
Corporation, the biggest software company in the world. And UNIX is
the culmination of, basically, a worldwide effort by amateurs to
make a multi-user multi-platform operating system.

  The difference? The people who made UNIX _cared_ about what they were
doing. They wanted to make something of lasting value. This shows.
When you use UNIX, it works.

  Now I'm not dissing Microsoft, because I'm not stupid enough to
think that I'm a better programmer than their employees are. I'm not.
If I were a Microsoft boss, I would never in a million years hire
someone like me. But the problem lies in their attitude to what they're
doing. They're a coporation. Their aim is to make money. They do this
by selling, amongst other things, copies of their operating system.
It is _in_their_interests_ to make something which is not of lasting
value. And it is in their interests to produce that something as
quickly and with as little cost as possible.

  Think about it. Its a sad fact of life that the basic ideas on which
our society works are the cheap 'junky' ideals which produce items
which are INTENDED to have no lasting value.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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RTFMMsg # 27 of 30                   Date: Sun 23/05/1999, 12:04 pm  [E]
From: XLNC                       Read: 5 times  [1 Reply]

     To: GURU
Subject: XLNC wuz ere

>  When we started, Nachos was a MIPS interpreter running on a SUN
>SPARC machine under UNIX. MIPS by the way is another type of machine.

I thought Mips was a Unit (Like centremeters & Tonns) for mesuring
Millions of Instructions Per Minute (As opposed to MegaBits which is only
Millions of O/I switches per second.

(And while I'm on this Soapbox... Why the hell did the world let some
scientist who made some great discoveries I admit... change a meaningful
measurement symbol (Cycles per second) in to a nothing mesurement (Hertz)
Now if you have an object that say Rotates at 1 turn a second.
.. it will go through 1 full cycle with one turn so why say it is rotating
at 1Hz.... 1 Smith... 1 Fauntleroy... no matter what you call it its one
cycle per second... so why change from an obvious symbol (Which BTW was ~
which is even more obvious than HZ because if you look at ~ you will see
that its one full cycle of a wave.If they stuck with Cycles they could have
used it for Wave forms (Electric And Phisical(wet)), Motion of solids
(Wheels, planets, satelites.) and another term wouldn't have had to have
been created (Revs)

(Protest will be held on parliament steps, 31/6/99!)

... err where were we....

> (SIC)  Now this lead me to this thought: why is it that UNIX is running
>away, with up to 60 or so users at a time, with their frequently crashing
>project work, yet is able to keep running happily where Windows dies at the
drop of a hat.

Because both systems are "Supposed" to run each new program in its own
little world, sharing data but not space...
Unix lives up to this...
Microsloth dosn't.

Try running Win NT4 and you get a little closer to Unix, although a program
crashing can still affect the NT host (Like the straws building to break the
camels back)

Lets see what NT5 (Read: Windows 2000).

Now heres another question... Why does Windows give its software such an
obvious date stamp for its operating systems... (Win95, 98, 2000...)
My answer is..
So far they have never released a software package that didn't need
upgrading to clear bugs.
I think they are deliberately shipping with Bugs, and "Dating" the S/W so it
even sounds Outdated (Who wants Win 95 when its obviously 4 years old)
so that people are forced to upgrade their s/w every year.

Its MS's way of joining the disposeable 90's. Their $$$ S/W Depreciates so
fast you have to spend $$$ again soon, making them More $$$.

Unix isn't that greedy I guess. They made it work and stuck with that./no

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RTFMMsg # 28 of 30                   Date: Thu 27/05/1999, 10:33 pm  [E]
From: ICE                        Read: 5 times  [1 Reply]

     To: XLNC
Subject: Re: XLNC wuz ere

>>  When we started, Nachos was a MIPS interpreter running on a SUN
>>SPARC machine under UNIX. MIPS by the way is another type of machine.
>

What is mips mainly used for?

>Try running Win NT4 and you get a little closer to Unix, although a program
>crashing can still affect the NT host (Like the straws building to break the
>camels back)
>
>Lets see what NT5 (Read: Windows 2000).
>

Simple solution to all your problems - redhat 6.0 / xfree86 / gnome =)
nooo worries at all, and note this is on a 486!

BTW, speaking of systems and such, has anyone seen the new coral netwinder?
Its the future baby! here are some specs:

257mhz StrongARM SA-110 RISC (yeah!) processer,
Smaller than your average laptop, (not including screen, monitor,
^^^- is designed to be a "run in the background machine",
2,4, or 6 gig hdd,
32 - 64 megs of ram,
pre-loaded with cgi, perl languages,
pre-loaded with apache www server, telnet, ftp, etc.
customised os (hacked redhat 5.1),
+ heaps more!

down ponts...
no PPP support,
no off switch!
no backup battary?!?
no kernal source to hack! - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo.......

But still, ME WANT ONE!?!
oh yeah, also has 16bit snd card, 2mg svga/xvga card...

cya
ice

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RTFMMsg # 29 of 30                   Date: Mon  7/06/1999,  8:16 pm  [E]
From: XLNC                       Read: 4 times  [1 Reply]

     To: ICE
Subject: Re: XLNC wuz ere

>>>  When we started, Nachos was a MIPS interpreter running on a SUN
>>>SPARC machine under UNIX. MIPS by the way is another type of machine.
>>


>What is mips mainly used for?

Dunno, It was a Quote from someone elses msg (Hence the >>> )
I allways knew mips as Million-Instructions-Per-Second... not an operating
system...

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RTFMMsg # 30 of 30                   Date: Mon  7/06/1999, 10:05 pm  [E]
From: ICE                        Read: 4 times

     To: XLNC
Subject: Re: XLNC wuz ere

>>>>  When we started, Nachos was a MIPS interpreter running on a SUN
>>>>SPARC machine under UNIX. MIPS by the way is another type of machine.
>>>
>
>
>>What is mips mainly used for?
>
>Dunno, It was a Quote from someone elses msg (Hence the >>> )
>I allways knew mips as Million-Instructions-Per-Second... not an operating
>system...

soundz about right... <refering to file......... "mips,
Million Instructions Per Second! cool.... l8r =)
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